Birdwatching in East Anglia, metal in the Midlands and red carpets in the West End - it's the St George's Day podcast
Andrew Collins comes straight from birdwatching in East Anglia and joins David Hepworth, Matt Hall and Fraser Lewry in the pod to talk about growing up metal in the Midlands and the ethics of hacking into Mark Ellen's Wikipedia entry. Plus the triumph of "Gavin and Stacey" in particular and self-penned sitcoms in general. Also - Andrew reveals the true meaning of "forward slash".
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Picture the scene...
Toast, ham, baked beans, Worcester Sauce, grated cheese, chicken and mushroom pie and the Word podcast. What an enjoyable lunch hour I've just had, many thanks fellas!
Is that your St George's Day Celebration Spread?
If so, beautifully and thoughtfully put together. Especially the Worcs Sauce - trust it was L&P?
It is quite fitting, I suppose
...although purely coincidental.
And of course it was L&P, couldn't be anything else!
Yeah listened to it...
...just before a rather tedious English lecture- the metal anecdotes were great fun.
English lecture
Giving or receiving?
How many lecturers do you know. . .
who describe their own lectures as "tedious"?
Quite...
...on the receiving end of it, I'm afraid!
What I want to know is...
Did Andrew spot the Russian lark?
That bird is...
... none more Goth. Cool.
Freebird
A few years ago there was a very tame Robin who would hang around on our doorstep and eat digestive biscuits. I used to see him almost everyday and eventually we formed rather a close bond. I would sit on the bench in our open front porch. He would perch on the armrest and we would natter incomprehensibly to each other.
My fondest memory of him is the time I was walking up the road towards my house with my bags of shopping. This red blur dropped down from one of the trees, shot past me at head height and recomposed itself on our front garden wall, where he waited for me to catch up to him.
I thought birders. . .
were Roger McGuinn fans until I discovered the Word podcast.
Has He Left The Building Yet?
Andrew was quite right, there was an Elvis film starring Kurt Russell, called Elvis The Movie (would've liked to be in on that brain-storming session).
I remember seeing it at the Commodore Orpington (now a McDonalds of course) in about 1979. The only things I remember from it are a) twin brother dies, b) hair dyed black, c) shoots the tv. Oddly, I can't remember how it ends, although I'm pretty sure that the closing scene was not our hero slumped on the toilet.
Alex
There was also...
An Elvis flick with Don Johnson playing The King, but it may have been a made-for-TV job.
Larks
No Russian lark, but we did see a shore lark, which was a first time spot for both me and my more experienced birding companion Dave. For a full list of all 49 species we saw, go here.
Sorry but....
...is there anyone who talks about himself more than Andrew Collins?
To be fair...
...we were asking him the questions...
Sure...
...but he always brings the subject round to himself rather than his view of the subject matter in discussion, especially apparent when Fraser was invited in.
It may be that I am used to you, ME & DH who discuss a subject from a general perspective rather than a personal one. Andrew was like that boring dinner party guest who plays conversation-poker: 'I'll see your experience about x and raise you with my experience of x + y'.
Eek!
I thought the whole point of the podcast discussion was to pretend to be at a dinner party. I was invited to reminisce about growing up in the Midlands and whether or not I was into heavy metal, and my opinions on sitcoms, specifically sought by Dave, were clearly rooted in my - that's me, me, me! - experiences of writing them. (I didn't come along with the agenda of talking about my experiences writing sitcoms, it was sprung on me.) As for the birding, well, talking about my experiences birding - which others seem to have enjoyed - felt relevant since I'd just got back from the trip. Verite. Perhaps you just don't like me, kb, in which case, I can do nothing about that.
Actually, what am I doing defending my part in a casual 50-minute conversation with two friends? It's surreal.
Andrew Collins, Stuart Maconie, Giles Smith, Bill Bryson...etc
Isn't that the "point" of these authors, journalists, broadcasters though, talking about themselves and their experiences. It's their personal view rather than a bland general perspective, that makes them entertaining.
That raises a question...
... I've always had about personal "BLOGS". I mean is it simply just talking (writing) about what you do in your life as if it'll be interesting to other people.
Maybe I'm a bit Irish (you can insert British here, if you agree) about this; but this self-importance just sits uncomfortably with me; but, of course, I'm sure that's my own insecurity.
Anyway, I'll slink off now.....
Yes, but...
If you write about your own life and it isn't interesting to other people, no-one will read you, which will deflate any such delusions pretty quickly. All these things find their own level eventually.
Fair point,
Fraser. Maybe I'll start one and see how many readers I get. That should deflate any delusions I may have!
Anyway, I always look forward to the Podcast every week; and the magazine every month; along with dipping in here every so often.
So.....cheers.
Keep up the good work but...
...it's not the same without the iron fist in a velvet glove of Mr Ellen.
The thing about the podcast is....
...if it keeps me amused, that's all it has to do.
Frankly I refuse to take any notice of what people want the podcast to be. If you go up that route it ends up being something produced according to a formula. You don't go home from a night down the pub saying, I wish so-and-so had talked more about such-and-such and less about such-and-such.
Without wishing to blow S up your A...
...I really look forward to the Podcast and am genuinely happy with whatever is thrown at us.
I'm not sure of your pub comparison, I think we've all been in groups where one subject or person has dominated the evening making it less enjoyable than other occasions.
I agree, but. . .
If you go down the pub expecting a game of pool and it doesn't happen, you'll probably be extra-keen to play pool the next time you go down the pub. And if it doesn't happen again. . . .
Now, just replace "a game of pool" with "a proper HORA". See my point? The HORA has achieved the same status as Karl Pilkington's Monkey News or the E.J. Thribb poem in Private Eye - if it's not there we're left feeling a bit "Oh. Okay. Right. Never mind. Hmm." (And if none of you can think of one, just make one up on the spur of the moment about somebody who's dead. We won't care.)
As for the rest of the podcast, some weeks are more entertaining than others, yes, but that's part of the charm of the whole exercise. You can't all be expected to be on form - or even necessarily in the mood - every single week.
HORA
Having told one a week for the best part of two years, I've run out. Oh, hang on, just thought of one.
Quite right too
I love the cast and I suspect like most peole it is its unpredictabilty which makes it great. If you tried to distill it down to a formula it wouldn't be fun any more. I missed Ello though, I have to say. BTW this weeks embarassing laugh out loud moment for me (in Waterstones) was Matt's "I'm amazed you have a best era of The Generation Game".
Blogging
I don't understand the obsession with blogging either. Why people think their thoughts and lives are worthy of public record and attention is beyond me. It's treating people as an audience rather than as an equal.
So in that case...
...why bother to post your own thoughts in the public domain? Surely you must think they are worthy of some attention if you have gone to the trouble of creating an account so you can make comments.
I don't see the problem. Personally I found the podcast entertaining. The HORA is not the be all and end all to me BTW - you can't force it. Andrew Collins was witty and amusing as he usually is - he also has a good blog of his own. Most of the guys who podcast blog on their own sites. I've read some of their stuff and enjoyed it. These guys are professional writers who write well. But there are plenty of non-entities whose blogs I'd never go near, of course.
people aren't interested in other peoples lives ? really ?
thats most of publishing, and a few multi billion pound online businesses up the swanny then...
Blogs
Blogs are the ultimate democratic medium. Let's not forget, many people blog as an outlet for their thoughts or to flex their writing fingers, regardless of an audience. Other blogs find, by organic means, a small crowd, and links are made from one blog to another. I read about a dozen regularly and those that comment on mine tend to come from a certain pool, with others dipping in. The ones I worry about are those that get listed in newspapers as being "important" or for "influencing" the national debate. At the end of the day, beyond the pretty available graphics, they're just individuals with the spare time to type. If you don't like them, they're easily avoided.
But there's no difference between giving yourself a pseudonym and posting your thoughts on, say, the merits of Andrew Collins for all to read and writing your own blog. We're all part of the problem, if indeed it is a problem.
For my part, I prefer talking to people in real life, but these forums can be stimulating, once you get over the fact that irony doesn't work on the page/screen, and realise that a few taps of the keyboard can actually be quite hurtful.
I am one of a great number of people...
...who are quite happy to listen to Andrew Collins talk at length on any subject he chooses.
I think people who discount blogging purely as self-indulgent soap-boxing ignore the fact that, as well writing their own blog, the majority of bloggers will read what their fellow online diarists have to say. Like most things on the internet, it's about communication, often with someone from a completely different background to your own, who you could never hope to come into contact with if you were to limit your social interactions to the offline world.
I have been reading some personal blogs for years. I know their writers well and I've watched their circumstances change: Some have got married, some have separated from their partners, some now have children, some have fallen ill. I expect that one day, one of them will die and I will grieve them as I would any close friend.
It would be complete nonsense to say that these online relationships are somehow of a lower quality than my friendships with those people who I interact with in the flesh. Was the twenty year written correspondence between the American author Helene Hanff and the English bookseller Frank Doel (documented by Hanff in her book 84 Charing Cross Road) any less of a friendship because the pair never laid eyes on one another?
Andrew Collins's "self-absortion"
Isn't all blogging, in fact a pretty good proportion of all communication, "self-absorbed" in that you're projecting your own opinions, observations, enthusiasms etc. in the hope that other people might be interested in them? You could accuse Andrew Collins of being "self-absorbed" in that he's written three books of memoir. But they're not so much about him personally. They're intended to be vivid snaphots of the spheres of life they describe: a humdrum Midlands childhhood in the '70s; student life in the '80s; working in various branches of the media. They're entertaining and interesting. Don't agree with Andrew about much but he's always worth reading.
Haven't heard the 'cast. Never get round to it. But there's something rather wonderful about a media operation, ostensibly about rock'n'roll, that has enough hinterland to encompass someone's account of a bird-watching holiday.
I like the podcast..
and I like blogging: It's faintly ludicrous to attack a guest on a broadcast medium who answers questions from their own perpective that's why you get guests on. The today programme would be crap if David Cameron was allowed to answer in general terms, Supergrass are interviewed because they are supergrass etc.
The thing I like about Podcasts and blogs is that by large it's about doing not about passive consuming. With the aid of a computer ( I found one in the street) anybody can broadcast or publish, most of it will be poor (but has any one read Metro lately, or watched ITV) but some of it is as illuminating as other more formal media.
Lastly the ease/joy of blogs (you can have one up and running in five minutes) is that they destroy once and for all the most tedious of critisism that we seen in this post ie complaining that an Elephant isn't more like a fish, if you like your elephants more piscine get your microphone out (£4.95 from Maplin) and record you own podcast so we can have listen, but attacking something for not being exactly how you wish it were never gets anybody anywhere interesting.
On a positive note more bird watching please, more interesting guests with stuff to say. keep up the good work and keep doing what you like.
More bird-watching, did someone say?
Collings
Trivial question - why is AC's podcast called The Collings and Herrin Podcast? Is there an in joke I have missed or is it a typo?
Incidentally Collings is a particularly fine brand of acoustic guitar.
Collings
One of Richard Herring's recurring jokes is to deliberately misspell people's names eg. Tony Blairs, Richard Branston, and some time ago he started to refer to me as Andrew Collings. When we joined forces for the podcast, I took a "g" off his surname out of pathetic revenge.
Incidentally, Collings is the surname of Mark E Smith's ghost writer on his autobiography. Is he made up?
(Apologies to the person who thinks I talk about myself too much - that was, I'm afraid, me talking about myself a bit.)