Entertainment For Lively Minds
Bands that started off great and ended up (insert negative word of choice)
Posted by Patrick Crowther on 29 January 2008 - 2:36pm.
Reading David Hepworth's blog entry about Ali Campbell's decision to quit UB40 has got me thinking about bands that were really good for the first couple of albums and then went rapidly downhill.
'Food For Thought' and 'One In Ten' are fabulous records, but they never hit that form again, in my opinion.
Who else?
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Gomez
I really liked their first album and bought the next two, but they were rubbish.
Gomez
Have to agree Lucas, still love their first album, but they just seemed to keep throwing everything into the kitchen sink after this.
Terence Trent D'Arby
Great debut, then a baffling follow-up - never really got back on track after that.
Agree about early UB40 - King and Earth Dies Screaming were also pretty good songs
No no no
Terence Trent D'arby's second album was indeed a little strange, but the third, Symphony or Damn was very good indeed - it even got 5 stars in Q. I can't recommend it highly enough. He's not been bad since then either.
Oops!
Yes - I forgot about Symphony or Damn - you're right, it was very good. Haven't heard any of his later work though - is he still making records?
Ah yes - the comeback...
A few years ago I was guest booker on a talk radio show, when I was told by a PR that Terence Trent D'Arby was on the comeback trail. Thinking he might pass ten pleasant minutes of airtime discussing his time in the spotlight, the vagaries of fame and his hopes of a comeback, I told the PR, yes, we'll book him.
The day before he was due to come on air, I ring the record company and check that Mr TTD'A is still ok.
"Yes," I'm told by the clearly nervous PR. "But there are a couple of conditions."
"Oh yes?" I say suspiciously. "And what might they be?"
"He doesn't want to talk about the past, just the new material."
"And the other condition?"
"He only wants to be known by his new name - Sananda Maitreya".
"Right," I say. "I think this might cause a problem."
Fortunately, I think Bobby Davro was available at short notice. And I never heard of Sanandra Maitreya again.
Pity
I thought Neither Fish Nor Flesh and Symphony or Damn were something else altogether, still listen to them regularly. Such a pity he vanished up his own arse.
I think he did...
overdose on the ego tablets.
Belle & Sebastian
I suggested once elsewhere that they are a band who have had a steady decreasing decline in their records. Tigermilk was world class, ... Sinister was fantastic but slightly less good... and so on through to the very patchy latest one (which probably sold the most!)
I have to disagree somewhat...
Although their albums don't get steadily better (my current favourite is 'Fold Your Hands...' i.e. the one everybody hates), they are by no means steadily decreasing in quality. You can hear the growth through each album from 'Tigermilk' to 'The Life Pursuit' as they grow in confidence. I think it's unfair on them and a slight on their decision to move forward that a lot of people are sitting around waiting for them to make Tigermilk MkII
Must say that The Beatles
Never got back to the peaks of The Beatles feat Tony Sheridan.
Rod Stewart
A couple of good 'uns followed by three decades of dross.
What?!
You mean 'Rod Mashes The Classics Vol 1-4' aren't skipping off your shelves and into the CD player?
Do ya think I'm stupid?
CDs are so last decade.
That'll be
you and Neil Young then, Archie.
Oops
I'm as one with Neil Young on something? I may have to rethink this. He's my Inviolable Blind Spot.
What?!
You mean 'Rod Mashes The Classics Vol 1-4' aren't skipping off your shelves and into the CD player?
In which case
Elton John should be included too. Tumbleweed Connection is so good; but from about 1976 it gets a bit poor.
A tad unfair, I think
Dame Reg has always been able to bang out at least one solid, hummalongable pop tune every couple of years, whether we happen to like them or not ("Sorry Seems...", "Sacrifice", that Lion King jobby, etc.), whereas Rod Stewart has had an unbroken run of nothing but dull moments and usually toe-curlingly embarrassing ones since 1973.
Fair enough
I like This Train Don't Stop Here Any More, particularly.
Elton's had a comeback in recent years, I feel...
...I'd agree though that '75/'76 was a turning point for me- I thought he peaked with the extraordinary 'Someone Saved My Life Tonight'.
Simple Minds
Simple Minds didn't exactly hit the heights with their first album, but they were somehwere near the top with Sons and Fascination / Sister Feelings Call and then reached a definite peak with New Gold Dream, that they never reached again. Sparkle in the Rain has its moments, but the stadium rock virus is clearly in evidence and it was all rapidy downhill after Don't You (Forget About Me). I stopped even taking notice of them after 1991's Real Life, so it may be that one of the subsequent six albums that they have released is a masterpiece, but I doubt it...
Black and White 050505
I think this is the return to form you were waiting for. Even got them on Wrossy.
Seriously?
Is that album any good? Would it be worth a small investment to check out?
All my old mates
from the 80's rate it. Go online and have a listen to a few tracks. They sounded good on the tour too my brother assures me.
Cheers mate
Will do. And I'll report back!
Quel surprise!
Well, I have to say that I was quite taken with the last Simple Minds album. Thanks for pointing that out to me Springer!
My Pleasure
It came out the week of my 40th birthday. Made me 20 again...for a minute or two anyway.
Tindersticks
Tindersticks II is still one of my absolute fave albums. Since then, though I've bought every one of their records with lower expectations than the last - only to be ever-more dissappointed.
It's like watching England play football.
Nah...
Curtains, when they nearly called it (s'pose they did, but you know what I mean)is a humdinger. Subsequent is, s you say, law of diminishing returns.
DELIGHTED Stuart Staples DIDN'T make it, yet, into the worst singer strand!!!
The Pogues...
...descended into a piss-poor tribute band (of themselves), even before MacGowan left the band - don't get me started on what they were like afterwards with Spider on vocal duties(or now for that matter).
Ash
When their debut album '1977' I was 14 or 15 and in my youth, I thought 'if Ash are this good now, imagine how good they will be in 10 years.' (Ash, as we were always told were releasing their first singles between doing their A' Level exams.)
You could make a solid case that each Massive Attack album was worse than the previous one, to be fair, they were from brillant to good, rather than brillant to rubbish.
I'd also suggest Ocean Colour Scene, Pearl Jam and I'd second Gomez.
Wrong about Gomez
I was never a fan back in their Mercury Prize hey-day, but having been asked to review their last album, How We Operate, I can vouch for the fact that it is a very good record indeed.
Sadly, I think they'd shed about 80% of interested observers by that point....
That's the problem
How We Operate's really not bad, but sometimes it gets so hard to care...
I hate to admit it but...
...U2
Began as the be all & end all of my life & now I buy the albums out of the memories of a lost love.
Compare: October & Unforegettable Fire to the last two.
Good call!
Just because the last two U2 records have sold by the truckload doesn't mean they're not pants.
U2
Patrick and Laddie, I totally agree with U2 and your views. U2's last two albums were just treading old ground. I don't think journalists dare slag them off anymore
I would say if you edited
their last couple of albums down to 10 tracks ala Radiohead they would move up the ladder in my view anyway.
I saw them in Dublin on the last tour and although they got great reviews I felt that they weren't at the races anymore.
This from someone who has seen them on every tour since War in 1982.
But I have to admit I buy alot of new albums out of memories for old times and I'm just getting to a point where I have begun to say Nein. No More. I made you rich, try and make me happy.
I saw them at Wembley Arena...
on The Joshua Tree tour, and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. They were brilliant that night... no phone calls to order pizza, no devil horns, no irony... just great music from a band still in its prime.
The first cut is the deepest
Many artists have failed to live up to their debut album over the years such as:-
Ben Harper
Ian Dury - still made a lot of great records but the first was the best
Bjork - Her debut album is the only good one she has done
Agree about U2 - They have become something of a deity - their music can still be okay but frankly Bono gets on my tits big time.REM got to that stage around the time of Automatic for the People but have since fallen from grace, will the pope,sorry Bono face the same fate?
Another great debut followed by a resounding "Er..."
Rickie Lee Jones.
jesus @ mary chain
Psychocandy great, Darklands not bad. Automatic pretty dire and from then on it got worse and worse
Suede
After watching them perform on the Brit Awards in the early nineties, in front of a dinner suited, open mouthed industry audience, I genuinely believed that there would be revolution on the streets the following day. I would not, however, wipe my arse on their last four albums.
Anyone mention Oasis, yet? How about The Cure? Prince? Though I haven't listened to any of his last thirty albums.
Del Amitri
First album - jingle jangle guitar pop, some really great lyrics, lovely Postcard influenced music.
Everything else - bombastic, cliche riddled hollow hollering. The sideburns say it all.
Oh, and James were tosh after their first two albums as well.
Justin Currie's
new album I thought was great. And the last track No Surrender is a classic track. Check it out.
Yes and no (or maybe)
Del Amitri: absolutely.
James: no. Laid was an excellent album; but I'd agree that after that they lost they way, Whiplash quite possibly being the nadir.
Graham Parker
What went wrong there? I have a theory that there was only one very small niche and by the end of the Seventies it had been completely filled by Elvis Costello.
Nowt really went wrong...
First two albums - great.
Next couple - slight dip in form.
Squeezing out Sparks (no.5 I think) - absolute masterpiece
The Up Escalator - not bad at all.
*goes quiet for a bit until...*
The Mona Lisa's Sister - another bona fide near-classic.
Bit downhill since then though.
The Parkerilla..
....would probably be better known if he ever came back to Blighty. Still gets a good review, but excellent later work includes 1991s "Struck by Lightning".
Of course, if your theory is right, now Mr Costello has threatened never to darken our doors again, maybe he will have to return.
I will look forward to that day.
U2 U2 U2
It is a relief to know I am not the only one. My other half is still as into them as he was, saying they are bigger than ever. What I can't get through to him is that they are different fans, not a growing crowd but a whole new crowd. Not the old crowd that listened to U2, Stiff Litle Fingers, Boomtown Rats (not all intentionally Irish but it is a long time ago & I can hardly remember who else I listened to then - ooh, Simple Minds will do) but an audience made up of Coldplay & Keane fans (I may be 41 but I don't have to lay down & die)
Whinge over.
Oasis
First album refreshingly good, with Noel saying it took The Beatles years to reach that level of quality... just think how good we will be in 5 years....etc etc. Erm Noel, still waiting mate. Nothing wrong with your albums. They are great fun to play spot the nicked riff with, but originality should be a part of music and you've basically turned into old men churning out safe music. What will they be playing when they are in their 60s?
U2 or not U2
Laddie, you are so right about this pompous overblown monster that we call U2.Your description of their audience being made up of Keane and Coldplay fans is spot on. My brother in law bless him told me about 4 or 5 years ago or whenever parachutes came out that I 'had to listen to the best band in the world' - I thought he was kidding but sadly he wasnt
U2...my favourite subject??
I think the audience at a U2 gig is largely made up of people that think think they are 'rock & roll' and probably go to 2 gigs a year.
They have little concept of what it is like to experience the hot sweaty energy of a gig (alas, I'm sure that is what early U2 gigs would be like).
I'm glad I discovered Arcade Fire. I didn't believe the hype. I was coerced into going to a gig (my fella paid!)as the 1st album left me cold. Glasgow Barralands is my favourite venue anyway, but this experience left me as highly charged for days. I almost blubbed Wake up was so good. Ooh, goosebumps thinking about it.
Win, friends & family - give U2 some lessons. Please!!
I dont know about that
As I've said before, the last tour they did left me cold, but I've seen them since 1982 (and that was just a large hall), but every tour up to then was a thrill. I think they are easy to knock being so huge.
Their problem is that they are so big and so many people want to see them that they mainly play stadiums.
See them in an arena and its a different story.
Wait till you see Led Zep go out. Great Arena show, but will the stadiums be much cop ?
Arcade Fire are great live but a life altering experience I'm not so sure. I've seen better in the last few years.
Thats why i think U2 at 02 is an interesting idea.
I didn't say life altering, it was just a good buzz!
Don't get me wrong, I'll be a U2 fan for ever,I just think they've lost something along the way, they don't seem able to recapture the vigour of youth. It was really more of a criticism of the kind of audience they attract now - the audience can spoil a gig for me. You made a very valid point - they can't help the size of audience they attract & you do lose alot in large venues.
Springer,I'd love to know who you've seen that impressed you more than Arcade Fire? Eagles of Death Metal were pretty groovy! Kings of Leon (apart form a too short set)? Ryan Adams? Ray Lamontagne? Some of my favourite recent gigs.
In no particular order
These have been my live favourites in the last year,
Foo Fighters, Alison Krauss, Josh Rouse, Richard Hawley, The Decemberists, Super Furry Animals, Mano Chao and Kings of Leon. To my shame I've never seen Ryan Adams live and it is shame because I love his music.
Funnilly one of my mates did sound for Ray Lamontagne and he said he is just like his hero Van Morrison, a miserable old sod.
Still like to see him though.
Au contraire
Its probably easier to ask how many bands started off s**t and got better. No doubt the list will be long and I`ll feel like a tube, but nevermind. I didn`t mean to reference Nirvana but thats a starter for 10. The U2 thing is probably going the same way as the David Bowie `peak and trough` syndrome, i.e. not worth wasting time on as there are so many fans anyway that it just don`t matter.
As for bands who burned bright to begin with and faded quickly, how about...Suede, The Stone Roses, Oasis, Travis, The Smiths, Keane, The Killers, The Magic Numbers, The Strokes, Simply Red.
I`ve lost count of the debut albums I have bought only for the follow up to be `nailed to the shelf`(circa Mark Ellen 2007).
i'd go along with most of
i'd go along with most of the above gerry but the Smiths? Oh no, no. They just went on getting better.
Television
Classic debut then ...oh, that's it.
Bit controversial, but Tom Waits?
I mean, I worship the man. But since Rain Dogs his albums have given my skip finger plenty of work. Blinding return to form with Mule Variations, then chose eclectic over quality. Waits maddens me, some of the stuff on the last 4 albums has been wonderful, but some of it is "difficult" (ie, muso for shite).
This is like a confessional
I too look at my Waits' records/cds with wonder. But sometimes you think he's putting stuff on his albums for a laugh. The orphans cd had some genius on it but most of it is almost unlistenable despite numerous tries.
Still you keep going because you know one day another Foreign Affairs will be released and all will be right with the world again.