Bands that divide the Sexes

There are a number of acts out there which seem to appeal largely to one gender over another. Ultimately this is a far from scientific generalisation but is ripe for discussion. My number one nomination would be Steely Dan, come on, only men really like them; I think they appeal to our inner nerd. My wife will tolerate most of my musical foibles but Steely Dan have yet to sway her. Any other nominations?

It is widely accepted

that any literature you have in your possession that you'd rather your wife/girlfriend/partner didn't know about is best hidden discreetly within the sleeve of a Fall album. Why else do you think they're still going?
Not sure about the Dan. My wife loves them. I can take or leave them.

Richard Lowe | 26 March 2008 - 5:11pm

The flaw

That's all very well, but it presupposes that bloke actually owns a Fall album.

Archie Valparaiso | 27 March 2008 - 2:20pm

Not true

I know lots of women who like Steely Dan. And they're not doing it to make a point either.

David Hepworth | 26 March 2008 - 5:28pm

Really? It must be the

Really? It must be the sophisticated circles you move in.

woodface | 26 March 2008 - 7:04pm

True...

I discovered the mighty Fagen and Becker through my mum's copy of Steely Dan's Greatest Hits...

Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2008 - 7:16pm

My Wife

Likes Steely Dan - but she is possibly one of the only women to buy albums by both Marillion and Tull (before we were going out/married).

She can't stand The Doors though.

Dave C | 26 March 2008 - 6:33pm

Never a Tull moment

I've always maintained that anything with a flute in it is music for girls.

Archie Valparaiso | 26 March 2008 - 7:03pm

Or those who like Dungeons

Or those who like Dungeons and Dragons?

woodface | 26 March 2008 - 7:09pm

Now that...

is funny! And this comes from someone who has enjoyed a fair bit of one-legged flute action in his time. Oooh errr... does that sound rude?

Patrick Crowther | 27 March 2008 - 1:24pm

Bike sheds

now!

Twangothan | 27 March 2008 - 12:20pm

My wife actually likes the

My wife actually likes the Doors, so probably polar opposites. The Marillion & Tull is very surprising, but obviously before your civilising influence.

woodface | 26 March 2008 - 7:08pm

My wife hates

My wife can't stand the following:

The Smiths, Sex Pistols, Cat Power, any dub reggae and Bob Dylan when he plays the harmonica.

S*M*A*S*H get no love from her either, but I can sort of see her point there.

Chimney Singing Crow | 26 March 2008 - 7:21pm

Interesting...

My wife loves S*M*A*S*H, The Smiths and The Sex Pistols. She's with yours for the rest though...

CrawtonLeek | 27 March 2008 - 10:58am

We meet in the middle

I am steeped in the indie punk stuff and my wife likes metal and Pink Floyd which I can't get into. Very little of either gets played in the house (thats what cars and long business trips up north are for). We meet around Sigur Ros, Athlete (I know but we took the first album on our first holiday together and it still works for me), Smiths/Morrissey sort of area.

She can't stand ABC - Lexicon of Love which still baffles me mind you.

Leedsboy | 26 March 2008 - 8:19pm

Yes, ELP and their ilk

Does anyone know any women who like them? I don't.

Sven | 26 March 2008 - 8:26pm

Nor me.

I don't know any men who like them either.

Indus | 26 March 2008 - 8:34pm

Nor me much

but I know men who do - in this neighbourhood for example

Sven | 26 March 2008 - 8:46pm

Ritual (Nous sommes du saddos)

I liked Yes for about three months roughly 12 years ago. One night after a quite succesful student party I decided that "Close to the Edge" would be a perfect soundtrack to some - hey! - between the sheets action. Perhaps not surprisingly the girl in question, a fine thing called Niamh, politely made her excuses and left.

Hot Lunch | 1 April 2008 - 1:46am

I bet Mrs Emerson...

doesn't even like ELP.

Patrick Crowther | 26 March 2008 - 8:34pm

Mrs pvincent

..was, is, and appears likely to continue to be, an avid fan of ELP. She can't abide any selections from my extensive Fall collection though, so some stereotypes remain unsubverted.

Paul Vincent | 27 March 2008 - 8:54am

I am one of above mentioned wives...

...and yes - I love the Dan. I'm listening to them now.

JoanneC | 26 March 2008 - 8:40pm

Tin Machine

They really were a 'his not hers' band - but having said that I knew plenty of blokes who couldn't stand them either.

What about Pink Floyd? I can't can't imagine anyone buying something from that catalogue as a treat for their significant other.

Dave C | 26 March 2008 - 9:24pm

Us And Them

Sorry, Dave. My wife's favourite album is DSOTM.

Stan Halen | 26 March 2008 - 9:34pm

Albert Hall

My girlfriend fell asleep during "Echoes" at one of David Gilmour's Albert Hall gigs two years ago. I still can't quite bring myself to forgive her...

Hot Lunch | 1 April 2008 - 1:50am

a wife writes...

I'm the Floyd listener in our house, the Mr hates them.

As my regular readers may already be aware, I loathe and despise the Manic Street Whingers

And if we're on a Keith Emerson tip, how many of the other ladies own Five Bridges by The Nice?

Or The Allman Brothers live at the Fillmore?

Oh lawks, I've come over all prog...

Em | 26 March 2008 - 9:57pm

DJ Shadow

Saw him Last night.Very Good. Very Blokey crowd 95% Male.
Went to see Minor Threat and Black Flag in Boston years ago.Counted 2 Girls in the crowd of about 300.
Don't know any Men who like Jamiroquai and always think Paul Weller is very bloke-ish.
Women into Prog ?

paul beard | 26 March 2008 - 10:32pm

Kraftwerk?

...never, ever met a Bird who was remotely interested in the pioneering Teutonic Techno-poppers

JeffLeopard | 27 March 2008 - 1:28am

Genres, really

Give or take the exceptions to the rules, as entered above, by and large isn't it:
Jazz (proper), blues, rock (all sorts, from prog- to folk-)- men
Soul/r'n'b, pop, disco, jazz (lite*)- wimmin.
There you go.
Easy.
Folk cuts it both ways, unless there are melodeons, which points it toward men. Banjos do the same in cross cutting country. Usually beardy men.

*tootling keys, smooth(TM) sax and female vocals. not really jazz

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 8:49am

This was in Word a few months ago...

...and I have yet to meet a woman who likes Tindersticks *sigh*

feelingsinister | 27 March 2008 - 9:19am

The 'Sticks

My good lady wife isn't at all averse to a bit of Tindersticks. Even got played as the guests were arriving at our wedding.

risles | 27 March 2008 - 11:17pm

Lady G

Despises my twin loves Caravan and Stackridge.
The grand divorce begins next month when she represents herself and is confident of receiving a substantial share of my fortune- ( a figure in the region of £0.25 has been widely predicted ).

eddie g | 27 March 2008 - 9:39am

It's good to know I'm a man!

I love Stackridge and Tindersticks.
I think Caravan are a bit girly, as well documented previously, tho'.......
(Mind you, given this is based upon Pye Hastings' shirts and Pip Coughlans "moustache", there may be a flaw. Mrs Path tells me that wives and partners often commend tonsorial and sartorial folly upon their other halves, so as to minimise any risk of straying or their being strayed upon)

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 9:47am

Girly?? Caravan??

Select your handbag and step outside sir!

eddie g | 27 March 2008 - 9:50am

Ho ho ho!

I love a predictable response.
Sadly, I do like Caravan, if only he wouldn't bloody sing! I have a very good double LP retrospective, The Canterbury Tales, as well as, naturally, Grey and Pink. The organ sound, as on most of the offshoots and buds of the "Canterbury Sound" is exemplary. Usually by Dave Sinclair?

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 10:02am

Tom Waits

Never met a woman who appreciated the weird and wonderful world of Tom Waits

Avidfan | 27 March 2008 - 10:22am

My last girlfriend

Was obsessed with Tom Waits...

Fraser Lewry | 27 March 2008 - 10:23am

I have a Tom Waits album...

...autographed for my wife.

David Hepworth | 27 March 2008 - 12:31pm

Nows your chance,

Avid. The Frazester will send details in a brown paper bag.

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 10:30am

I see.

Backing down eh Mista Path?
( I should, presumably, have predicted it from the start ).

eddie g | 27 March 2008 - 10:32am

Not at all.

I like lots of girly groups, from Caravan to the Edgar Broughton Band.
(Has a woman ever been to see EBB, other than by chance or within a festival line-up, or ever heard of the delicate whimsy of Out Demons Out or Apache Dropout?

Retropath2 | 27 March 2008 - 10:50am

The live experience

The true test is the live experience, isn't it?

Bruce Springsteen recently said something about building an audience back in his day. It went something like this: Guy goes to gig, next time the band comes around he'll bring his friend and if his friend likes it, the next time he'll bring his girlfriend. Once you've got the 3 of them, you're on the pig's back.

Well if that's the model, someone really needs to explain it to Wilco and Eels bcause I saw them both fairly recently and there was only a handful of girls in the building.. And I was on my own!

John Connolly | 27 March 2008 - 10:36am

The San Diego Serenade constant

Everyone I know who's heard this early-ish Tom Waits song loves it. A lot of his early songs are beautiful and very romantic, and of course his voice wasn't always as gnarled as it is now. I'd say if there is a gender polarity with him, it's going to be with his rather challenging later work, which people with more important things to do may not be inclined to bother with.

Azeem | 27 March 2008 - 11:32am

My wife loves Tom Waits ballads.

I was convinced she would love Ron Sexsmith - young boyish looks, nice voice and tunes - she cant stand him.
As a rule of thumb she likes anything melodic - anything that requires effort or is a challenge is a waste of time playing to her.
Its a bit like the TV programmes they watch too - bland, soap operas, romcoms, reality tv.

Please dont ban me from the site - I will change my identity before the lawsuits start arriving!!!

Steve Turner | 27 March 2008 - 1:59pm

I take grave exception to your opining that...

...Ron Sexsmith has a nice voice. I'm with her.

David Hepworth | 27 March 2008 - 2:41pm

Domestic Fall Out Incident-ah

On numerous occasions over the years my wife has walked into various rooms in our house as some Mark E Smith-inspired racket has clattered out of the stereo and with a sigh of weary resignation opined 'that's The Fall isn't it?'

This is usually followed by an equally weary shake of the head on her part and a sharp exit from the vicinity.

Controversially, she did recently concede that 'How I Wrote Elastic Man', an oft-played favourite of mine, was almost listenable but only because 'it doesn't really sound like The Fall'.

She knows nothing.

Scoop | 27 March 2008 - 3:16pm

Beefheart

Surely no woman has ever bought Trout Mask Replica? I'd be terrified of stepping out on a first date with a lass who proclaimed a love of the Captain. What next? Diamanda Galas (who is surely not loved by anyone of either gender...)

risles | 27 March 2008 - 11:20pm

Diamanda.....

I have her "version" of Dark end of the Street in my i-pod, which keeps on coming up in shuffle. I keep it on out of sheer perversity, so loathsome and laughable do Mrs Path and I find it.

Retropath2 | 28 March 2008 - 8:29am

Another one

Can. I once left Can on and then disappeared off to the bath. Emerged a while later to find the other half had left the thing running for the full 17 clattering minutes and was suddenly eager to question my mental health.

Not one to suggest as a soundtrack for any of those limos full of girls you see of a weekend night, perchance?

risles | 27 March 2008 - 11:22pm

Neu, Faust, Cluster, Harmonia..

Much the same trouble experienced here asking any member of the fairer sex to settle in for an evening of Krautrock.

James EB | 30 March 2008 - 5:22pm

Can can get women dancing

I was DJ'ing in the front bar of a club last Christmas and as an experiment I put on Can's "I Want More" after some LCD Soundsystem, and I'm glad to report that there was plenty of dancing-round-the-handbag action. In fact, so smitten were some revellers with the krautrockers that one lady came up to me and asked where could she buy this great new Hot Chip track...

Hot Lunch | 1 April 2008 - 1:57am

Augmn

Augmn-Can
Funnily enough my missus LIKES this track but hates anything else
by Can. However she loves Kraftwerk because they have "melodies" (and she is spot on here). She hates most jazz and describes Ornette Coleman as "angry bees and bluebottles buzzing around inside a jam jar", which actually sounds like a track from Trout Mask Replica which upon hearing for the first (and last )time she burst out into hysterical laughter and then ran from the room with her hands covering her ears(once again I fear she was right!!)

bingham | 1 April 2008 - 5:13pm

The Convincer

My good wife, who has brought to our collection all of following gems: Poppa Joe by The Sweet, Rose Garden by Lynn Anderson and Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep by Middle of the Road absolutely hates The Convincer by Nick Lowe. She really, really gets furious, if i try to play it. I even took her to see a Nick Lowe gig, but no success. She is adamant: Nick Lowe is a total joke to her...
I don't get it ?

Marko Helisto | 28 March 2008 - 9:52am

Mrs Path......

...seems also to loathe Mr Lowe beyond necessary venom, blaming not only his unlikely quiff but pricipally his song, Homewrecker, on the aforementioned Convincer. I then made the mistake of letting her overhear a recent Word coverdisc, and the "irony" of "I trained her to love me" was well and truly a blue touchpaper moment......

Retropath2 | 28 March 2008 - 10:47am

Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep

This is actually a song choice my wife and I both agree on. Hadn't heard it for years until its appeared during the film "Breakfast On Pluto"
It remains a classic pop single.

bingham | 1 April 2008 - 5:17pm

If you play the convincer to

If you play the convincer to anyone oveer the age of 60 they will love it, it has that kind of appeal. My wife likes Nick Lowe and so does my Father, Father in Law and Mother in law. My mum doesn't as she is under 60, as is my wife which completely disproves my theory - damn!. This general thread is ultimately flawed as wives/girlfriends of Word readers (or word readers & contributers who are female) would be expected to have good taste. I still think the Dan would nonplus the female population at large.

woodface | 7 April 2008 - 5:57pm

"Wives/girlfriends of Word readers would be expected to have...

...good taste"
Sadly only in men. I caught Mrs Path playing Breakfast in America yesterday, damn her eyes.
(It was a present, honest, years ago, years and years ago.....)

Retropath2 | 7 April 2008 - 6:15pm

Breakfast in America

As in Supertramp? I know it is a guilty pleasure and all but I love that album, especially the first side. I also bought it for £1 from a charity shop on vinyl which only adds to the appeal.

woodface | 10 April 2008 - 1:21pm

Funny that

my wife took exception to the lyrics in that song too. Seems like a sense of humour also divides the sexes. I love the black humour of films like Fargo and even theb more over the top stuff in Shaun of the Dead - my wife just thinks I am sick.

Steve Turner | 28 March 2008 - 11:30am

I like Nick a lot

but I don't like that song. It sounds pretty unpleasant and his latest is not at all up to scratch IMHO though I realise I'm in a minority here.

Back to the point. Mrs Twang loves Nick, and also has a great affection for Cousteau (first album) Dusty Springfield, Scott Walker, Squeeze, The Arleens, Shelby Lynne (many more - the first names that come to me). She is tolerant of most of my favourites and indeed enjoys people live (eg the godlike RT) where she doesn't particularly like them on CD. She cannot abide under any circumstances Frank Zappa, Little Feat, Caravan, free jazz, any old (pre 80s) country music and, oddly enough, Iris Dement who she refers to (unkindly I think) as Demented Iris.

Twangothan | 28 March 2008 - 1:17pm

More and more in common.....

than merely Lichfield!
Last night I enjoyed the re-watching of 28 Days Later, a thoughtful birthday gift from the kids. Mrs Path went to bed early, not entirely unrelated!!

Retropath2 | 28 March 2008 - 11:42am

Help, I'm a boy!

Despite considerable evidence to the contrary, I now realise that I am in fact a chap.I like most of the musicans and films cited as being whatever the reverse of catnip to girls is.
Apologies to a small and now clearly psychosexually traumatised number of male lesbians. Do I have to give the kit back, though?

lizlacey | 28 March 2008 - 12:58pm

The Allman Brothers live at the Fillmore

I too, a femal of the species LOVE THIS!! Eat a Peach Em!

laddie | 28 March 2008 - 2:28pm

"Rhythmical jazz-based stuff with guitar solos"

describes one area of music I really like, but which doesn't seem to do a lot for female listeners. I'm a big fan of John Scofield. About a minute into his set a few years ago my friend's wife leaned over to said friend and muttered, witheringly: "boy's music" .
When my brother managed to coerce his wife into attending one such gig, she observed that the audience consisted almost entirely of "bald men sitting nodding their heads".

roylevy | 29 March 2008 - 4:29pm

And on stage there was John Scofield...

a bald man nodding his head.

Patrick Crowther | 30 March 2008 - 7:43am

Severed Heads

I would love to know if there were carbon-based life forms of any gender who like the fine work carried out by this perplexing Australian industrial dance combo...?

lizlacey | 31 March 2008 - 11:26am

Well...

...me for one. I think I'm carbon-based. Sounds like you do, too, so what are you made of - aluminium?

Paul Vincent | 31 March 2008 - 11:47am

Sugar and Spice

of course..

lizlacey | 31 March 2008 - 11:41pm

Hello all

After a few weeks' lurkage, I have registered to say: only girls like The Kooks.

That's not to say that ALL girls like The Kooks, I hasten.

Erm, cheers.

Matthew H | 1 April 2008 - 1:38pm

I never met a man who could

I never met a man who could tolerate that modern r'n'b stuff, but all of them love old r'nb. This may say more about the circles I move in though. The thing is though while I have plenty of music I think of as boy music I do have individual women friends who like individual artists of that ilk Cap Beefheart, Zappa, Waits etc). I dont have a woman friend who likes all of that though. Steely Dan though, I dont know anyone who can stand them...

Isn't it the case though that women like "emotional" music while men like "intellectual" music anyway? (ps that's Lesley Douglas, 6music and Radio 2 controller, I'd never be that sexist)

ganglesprocket | 1 April 2008 - 8:14pm