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ATM: Special Lady Handshakes

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I stood in the shop where I work today, a quiet day, and became aware of a fundamental truth. One that could change the lives of the two young men before me. My boss and his brother, two strapping young chaps, ten years younger than me, but somehow, impossibly, grown-ups (how did I get so old?). They didn’t know it yet, but I was about to impart a piece of matriarchal wisdom.
“Young Men” I told them. “I have a piece of advice that will transform the way you deal with women. It has the power to change not only your lives for the better, but also the lives of the women you meet. Stand before me, and I will share my knowledge”. They stood, agog. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Massive, never before have I felt such power. I nearly exploded with self-importance.
“NEVER” I said, in capital letters, “NEVER, EVER, GREET A WOMAN WITH A SPECIAL LADY HANDSHAKE”.
There was silence, then my audience both leapt towards me hands outstretched. I tested their handshakes, they were both deemed fine. Firm, solid, brief yet committed, and involving the whole hand. We were all very pleased, and silently ruminated for a while. Then the younger brother piped up. “But what if the lady gives you her hand like she wants a special lady handshake?” He held out his fingers in a slightly pathetic clumped-up way. I had not predicted this. It had not occurred to me that there would be any women who would do such a thing. A special lady handshake has always, in my experience, been something that has sneaked up in a creepy ambush, taking me by surprise, like a damp seat on the bus. Insidious self-doubt crept into my mind. What if I have been shaking men’s hands all wrong ever since I got too tall for them to pat me on the head by way of greeting? Maybe I’ve been doing a man handshake, and no-one else does? Cripes.
The elder sibling then added another worm to the can. “And what happens when two ladies shake hands?”
I’m buggered if I know. Next time I meet someone I’m shoving my hands in my pockets and smiling. That is, unless you lot can enlighten me.

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Glad to find a non-bloke who really DOES...

...shake hands properly! I'm a proponent of the decent handshake and often vigorously and sincerely shake the hands of women friends (usually before they can get in with some kind of hug) but far more often than not their hands respond in (genetically programmed?) lilly-livered, flabby, finger-withdrawing, limp excuses for solidity and purpose. And in their eyes I can see they often think I'm mad or that I've just asked them to explain the rules of cricket in 10 seconds or something.

I honestly believe that the vast majority of women just don't know how to shake someone's hand - and I honestly can't understand why! It's a universal, worldwide, long-established form of greeting and agreement and togetherness. So why the wet fish routine? truly baffling...

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Colin H | 11 August 2011 - 12:07am

I just bear-hug everybody, katy

Like some tipsy Russian innkeeper. It saves confusion in the long term, and one acquires so many interesting new fragrances.

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Stick | 11 August 2011 - 1:09am

Huh ?

"Special Lady Handshakes" ????
Is this a British speciality to go with your Stiff Upper Lips ?
I've seen them in British costume dramas, but I thought they were a Merchant-Ivory invention...
Here in Sweden we shake hands vigorously to keep warm! ;)

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Locust | 11 August 2011 - 1:23am

I might be utterly wrong

(and I am happy to be corrected) but I was taught that a gentleman only shakes a lady's hand if she offers it first. Firm but friendly being the preferred method.

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Sir Tainley Gno... | 11 August 2011 - 5:43am

You're not talking about

a hand shandy, are you?

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drakeygirl | 11 August 2011 - 7:27am

No

But let's...

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fatmanjez | 11 August 2011 - 9:27am

No

But let's...

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fatmanjez | 11 August 2011 - 9:27am

Perhaps says more about me than the author

But relaxing in a "Gentlemans" manner, with the assistance of a special lady friend, was also my first thoughts when I saw the post title.

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BernkastelCues | 11 August 2011 - 1:16pm

Surely it's all about context?

WORK SCENARIO
If I meet someone new at work, I'd only ever shake hands with them. Wouldn't dream of hugging, kissing here.

VIRTUALLY FRIENDS SCENARIO
The other extreme, where you feel like you already know someone even though you're only actually meeting for the first time (e.g. Twitter friends, or friends of friends that you've heard lots of scandalous gossip about). A hug is perfectly acceptable here. An air kiss at least.

EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN
Personally, I choose to stand around looking awkward until I figure out whether the other person's intentions are a hug or a kiss, and react accordingly (kind of like I'm cheating at Scissors, Paper Stone)

SPECIAL SCENARIO: THE AIR KISS
I find it very difficult to keep track of how many kisses various acquaintances do. Some kiss once, others twice, I even know a few people who always do three (seemingly just to annoy me). But if you don't know how many kisses are coming, then one of you winds up doing an embarrassing face hover move.

I find it all a bit confusing, actually. I think in future I'm going to instigate a discipline where *everyone* gets handshakes only, regardless of how long or well I know them. The only exception to this rule are boyfriends, who get kisses and the occasional glimpse of my ankles. It's just easier that way.

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Hannah | 11 August 2011 - 7:59am

When someone turns their head to present a cheek

What is the ideal response? Some go for the kiss, other just seem to "bump cheeks" as it were.

*no jokes about the other cheeks please readers, you know I mean the ones on a face...*

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kidpresentable | 11 August 2011 - 10:15am

I'm never quite sure

But I tend to press my cheek in return if it's someone I don't know very well, but press my lips if it's a proper friend.

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Hannah | 11 August 2011 - 3:50pm

So when presented with a cheek

do you reckon I should go with a peck or just some cheek-to-cheek contact? It sounds like a cheek touch might be safer, but it does feel like a very awkward gesture.

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kidpresentable | 12 August 2011 - 12:24pm

I'm not sure either

How about a cheek-to-cheek with glancing blow of side of lips onto cheek hybrid manoeuvre? That could work. But I honestly find all this stuff most perplexing. I have friends that I kiss a lot, and others that I hug, but would never kiss. And others who I edge around hoping that they know I like them.
I have a male friend who delights in moving his head at the last minute so he catches the unsuspecting lady full on the lips. It's funny the first time...

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katyg | 12 August 2011 - 2:17pm

If he was my friend

I would have my tongue ready in preparation so that he got a full-on lick up the face next time.

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Hannah | 12 August 2011 - 5:00pm

I think I should probably just stay in more.

It's a minefield out there.

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kidpresentable | 12 August 2011 - 11:23pm

Standardising kisses

Agree with you on that Hannah - a kiss on both cheeks was never de rigeur when I was growing up but now seems pretty commonplace. However if you are taken by surprise by kissing someone who only expects one kiss on one cheek it's bloody awkward.
Handshakes from Ladies I usually meet in business are mostly of the firm variety as opposed to the Special Lady Handshakes. However the big no no is shaking someones hand who has a sweaty palm and unfortunately ladies some of you suffer from this affliction. Shall look out for those ankles next time I see you if they are that rare a sight!!

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Steve Turner | 11 August 2011 - 1:01pm

They're fine ankles.

I have dainty ankles and dainty wrists. That's about it for me and daintiness though.

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Hannah | 11 August 2011 - 3:52pm

Hannah

Next time we meet I propose a single kiss on the left cheek and a brief hug.

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fatmanjez | 11 August 2011 - 9:35am

I would hope for the same Jez

See you in Reading on the 19th?

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VincePacket | 11 August 2011 - 10:12am

I'd love to come, VP

But sadly I'll be away on holiday. You'll have to practise on DogFacedBoy.

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fatmanjez | 11 August 2011 - 10:10pm

Duly noted.

Anyone else got any special requests?

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Hannah | 11 August 2011 - 3:54pm

Masonic Handshake

and a slice of battenburg?

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man.of.soup | 11 August 2011 - 5:17pm

Tongue sandwich?

Sorry, are we on?

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Rosbif | 11 August 2011 - 10:07pm

There is of course the other extreme

The "Alpha Male Death Grip". Often exchanged between salesmen, the AMDG is a brutal exchange designed to crush your opposition into submission while maintaining a friendly demeanour to all onlookers.

In the worst cases, an unprepared recipient of the AMDG can appear to be offering a Special Lady Handshake (SLH) simply because, being caught unawares, he fails to make firm hand contact in the milliseconds offered for hand engagement. This leads to an immediate ceding of alpha status, crushed fingers where the palm was not gripped and future rumours of "shaking hands like a girl"

Be careful out there, it's a minefield.

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VincePacket | 11 August 2011 - 10:10am

I get this flipping crap all the time

I don't think I have a Death Grip, but invariably, people I assumed were reasonable, intelligent individuals come away mock-clutching their arms and saying things like "Fuckin' ell geezer! Nearly took my arm off." It's embarrassing, because as far as I'm concerned, I've merely offered a not-limp handshake.

Yet, when I offer much the same handshake to a woman, I'll get a friendly "Oh, that's a firm handshake!" which is probably factually correct, and not-at-all embarrassing.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is: Men - GRIP UP.

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Stick | 11 August 2011 - 10:54am

Avoiding the Death Grip

I forget where I picked this up, but if you suspect you are about to be deathgripped (there's normally a glint in the eye and the hint of a challenge in the gaze) then ensure your grip extends such that the first finger of your shaking hand meets the junction of your handshakee's hand and wrist.

Even a light grip and squeeze by yourself will prevent your assailant being able to gain enough 'purchase' on your hand to squeeze too hard.

A word of caution - I suspect if both parties to the handshake adopt this approach it could get very messy with fingers going in all directions.

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Paul Waring | 11 August 2011 - 12:18pm

See also

the 'Premature Retraculation' where you relax your grip to let go but the other person holds on. It's a classic AM technique for showing who's in charge.

You're stuck deciding whether to re-grip, which is gonna look stoopid, standing there placidly offering your 'lady shake' until they let you go, or wrenching your hand away. The last option is funniest, particularly if you brace your foot on their thigh for extra purchase.

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Captain Underpants | 11 August 2011 - 1:29pm

Endurance shaking

The adorable Bill Murray meets Mr Shake Hands Man from Banzai. And puts up with an extraordinarily lengthy shake. Marvellous.

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katyg | 11 August 2011 - 10:00pm

This gives me the perfect opportunity

to tell my weirdest Close Encounter With A Celebrity anecdote.
I was probably thirteen or fourteen years old, the father of a friend of mine worked in television as a producer and had invited a famous Swedish actor (since deceased) to lunch before the filming of a new project would begin.
The lunch would take place at my friends' grandmothers' place (no, not exactly Hollywood...) and I happened to be staying with my friend for a week of our summer holiday so we all went to grandma:s to meet Ernst-Hugo Järegård (who some of you may know from Lars von Trier's Europa and The Kingdom - as reviewed in issue 102 of the Word).
Ernst-Hugo was a larger than life character, with an insecure core hidden away in the middle of a positively obese ego.
The world was a stage and he was at the centre of that stage, all lights had to be on him at all times.
He arrived, no - made his entrance, in character as the brilliant but humble actor gilding the lives of the little people and immediately took hold of the conversation and didn't let go of his firm grip until lunch was over and he left us to enjoy the deafening silence of his non-presence.
But that was not all his firm grip wouldn't let go of...as he arrived and shook hands in order of importance, when he finally got to me he started to tell us something interesting about himself and forgot that he was still shaking my hand.
Very much like mr Handshake above he stood there pumping my arm energetically up and down as if he expected to fill a bucket with water. I had no chance of slipping out of his iron fisted hello and just had to wait for his story to finally end before he realized that something was attached to his right hand.
Naturally I didn't have a timer running, but in my estimation a minimum of thirty seconds of absent-minded shaking took place.
I felt like a complete idiot the whole time.

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Locust | 12 August 2011 - 2:40am

You could try the Kevin Keegan approach...

I can't access youtube to post an example of this but I'm sure footie fans will know what I mean.

Kevin would, at the final whistle, approach opposing manager and shake their hand vigorously with his right whilst grabbing the back of their neck with his left.

This could have been a teasing caress on the nape of Fat Sam's hairy neck or a Vulcan death-grip on arch-nemesis Alex Ferguson...

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Retro Man | 11 August 2011 - 12:30pm

The Times

today (sorry, can't link) has an item that a German organisation dedicated to improving manners believes work colleagues should not kiss in any form whatsoever, so hand-shaking becomes extremely important, but you do need to be careful that your palm/finger/thumb interface does not become so complicated as to imply you are a member of the Freemasons.

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policybloke1 | 11 August 2011 - 2:06pm

A certain extremely litigious entertainer

has, or had, a notorious handshake, which they apparently used on young people who 'weren't yet of the age of consent'. It involved secreting the forefinger in the palm of the recipient at the last minute and tickling it. It makes me feel quite ill thinking about it.

For anybody who feels like volunteering the name of this entertainer, please don't. Word's pockets may not be deep enough to pay them off.

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Stick | 13 August 2011 - 7:39pm

Remember "Shake hands"

from Boys from the Blackstuff?
"I'll have a pint of bitter, much obliged!"

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drilltime | 11 August 2011 - 3:09pm

Mixed messages

I'm all for the handshake. I generally shake hands when I meet up with friends socially.

I worked with a bloke who looked like Bill Beaumont, a big beefy chap. He shook hands like Aunt Agatha, with his wrist high and fingers limply dangling. Most odd.

Hugs are fine too as long as everyone understands that a hug is happening. Less common in the workplace for me.

For the first half of my career, I worked in engineering environments, steelworks and power stations, where a firm handshake was the norm.

I then worked for a telecoms company with offices in San Francisco. I had spoken several times to my opposite number there on the phone from the Glasgow office, and then I had my first visit to the San Francisco office. He ran up and gave me a big hug, the kind of hug you would give to a dear old friend you hadn't seen for years. I was expecting a handshake, but I took the hug in the spirit it was intended. When in California ....

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el hombre malo | 11 August 2011 - 3:12pm

Beware!

Offering a handshake to a hugger may result in 'cuppage'.

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Captain Underpants | 11 August 2011 - 3:35pm

Indeed

I went to hug an elderly relative once as she went to shake hands with me.

Instead she wound up shaking my left boob. This was somewhat embarrassing for both of us.

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Hannah | 11 August 2011 - 3:48pm

If only it were the other one

Then I could've used the line, "I bet she was left feeling a right tit."

Alas, 'twas not be.

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Joe R | 11 August 2011 - 7:21pm

Freemasons should have it so tough

When did greetings get so desperately complicated? The first time I was invited to "bump" an American friend I only see very occasionally I was at a complete loss about what to do. Did he mean that Stringer Bell shoulder-jarring thing? Or that mallet-action-on-top-of-the-fist thing? What? Disaster ensued, as I patted him weakly on the back as you would if someone told you they'd just had their dog put down.

Still, at least it seems the available options for women are even more prone to acute embarrassment, if this "flying vadge bump" is any indication.

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Archie Valparaiso | 11 August 2011 - 3:39pm

TMF....

.... oh, that's just too easy.

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Gatz | 11 August 2011 - 3:43pm

Saddest thing

I ever did see was two white monkey brogrammer work colleagues perform that Springer Bell thing in the office. The super serious expressions, studied nonchalance and sotto voce 'eh man' ...pitiful.

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James EB | 11 August 2011 - 8:07pm

Well

That brightened my day.

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policybloke1 | 11 August 2011 - 3:43pm

I find all this way more difficult than I should

I work in sales so think I hacmve mastered the firm ( but not alpha male firm) handshake.

I am less comfortable with the office kiss, I visit my office in the south west about 2 or 3 times a year and the three girls there automatically stand up and move in for the hug and cheek kiss and, like a small child, I find this incredibly awkward everytime. Then again I'm not too keen on social kissing with female freinds either, always preferring to stand back a little at the start of big kiss sessions ( going into a restaurant to meet a large group of friends etc. ) and hope in the kiss confusion I can avoid the whole thing. Not sure why I'm not keen, think it's all the possibilities for getting it wrong that phase me, such as kissing when a cheek touch was expected or vice versa or going for the wrong cheek and ending up making lip contact (it has been done on several occasions and I'm sure they think me a socially inept buffoon).

Not keen on the Professional man hug either, was traveling in the Uk with a german colleague recently and got 2 bear hugs in one day, these were both from people I have known for years 8 or 9 at least but both were the first occassions a hug had been deemed necessary and both caught me way unawares and left me in strange forward lean position!

Strangely I go for the man hug with some of my friends but with the 2 friends I see all the time we make zero contact other than the occasional slap on the arm whilst saying goodbye.

The whole things a minefield. oh, and while were on the subject of social awkwardness, does anyone find the handshake line on the way into dinner at a wedding where you are only a very peripheral player another painful
process, trying to think of something original to say to people you don't know and likely never will know?

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art vanderlay | 11 August 2011 - 6:45pm

Heh

I almost got snogged by my Australian colleague on her last evening in the UK back in June. It was nearly worth missing all but the first 45 minutes of the last Massive booze-up.

As the grandson of a Mason, I've always enjoyed throwing the odd knuckle squeeze when meeting with suspected members of the fellowship...but the "power-grip", that's for the Ford Probe Brigade.

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Richie B | 11 August 2011 - 7:00pm

I'm a very special lady,

and my grip is firm but gentle...

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Gauntlet | 11 August 2011 - 7:14pm

*faints*

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el hombre malo | 11 August 2011 - 7:21pm

I'm a very special lady,

and my grip is firm but gentle...

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Gauntlet | 11 August 2011 - 7:14pm

And I see...

you use both hands.

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Archie Valparaiso | 11 August 2011 - 7:16pm

Only...

with very good friends.

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Gauntlet | 11 August 2011 - 7:21pm

Apparently

I just can't control myself this evening.

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Gauntlet | 11 August 2011 - 7:23pm

ooer...

more than one shake is a, erm, *blushes and runs away*

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Richie B | 11 August 2011 - 7:33pm

I prefer to offer a laurel

...and hearty handshake...

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Ruff-Diamond | 14 August 2011 - 9:11pm

OK, tell me I'm the only one

who saw the title of this thread and expected to see Lenny's name underneath

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Sid Williams | 14 August 2011 - 10:18pm

I haven't a clue what you mean

*sniggers*

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katyg | 14 August 2011 - 10:43pm
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