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At last, a record that hits me where I live

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I think I'm going through some sort of lifestage - like wanting a seat on the tube or complaining that you're out of marmalade or getting irritated by Lily Allen. I LIKE this record. It's the first pop song I've ever heard that addresses infirmity and death and parents and friends falling off the perch without trying to be poetic. In fact it's very specifically the opposite - it's about the results of routine medical tests, hospital wards, kids not returning from parties at night, police knocking on your door saying "We've got some bad news, sir". I guess you've got to be of an age where those things have started to happen to you to appreciate it, and if you can look past her slightly kooky Americanness and some of the self-satisfied graphics, a very good and moving song is what's left. IS it any good, the massive, or am I just getting old and soft in the head?

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It is superb

A good point, well made.

Take that Richard Dawkins. Bet you'll be calling to God when you've got cancer.

And the piano sounds like a piano should sound to me, echoey, dark and low, just like "Pyramid Song".

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badger_king | 30 September 2009 - 2:58pm

Actually

I've almost popped my size 11s a couple of times in recent years because of heart troubles. However, I never prayed once or had a straightener with a deity or sought the advice of some holy man. I have no problem with people who do plead and pray when the darkness falls, but, as a militant atheist, it ain't for me. Ms Spektor's dead wrong. Sometimes you just have to grit yr teeth and be brave, in my humble. Not a bad tune tho

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Paul Holmes | 30 September 2009 - 10:07pm

Sorry Mark, but I loathe this

And I'm not being flippant. It's the God angle I can't stand. Maybe I'm missing the point, but to me it sounds like Christian propaganda via the back door. I watched my mother die in hospital a few months ago. She wasn't laughing at God. She didn't feel the need to mention God at all. She just went out with quiet dignity.

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Martin | 30 September 2009 - 3:21pm

It also reminds me an awful lot of this ...

... which, I think, is much better.


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Martin | 30 September 2009 - 3:25pm

I love Regina Spektor....

have done for a very long time now, and although this isn't my favourite song of hers it's still fantastic. She's one of those artists who i saw playing small shows earlier on in her career and feel a sweel of pride when i see her playing the bigger stages (such as the pyramid at glasto) which i've always felt she deserved.

I met her a few years ago, and she told me that she has an apron from Birmingham's Glee Club hanging up in her kitchen as when i'd seen her play there on a previous tour they had given her the kitchen as a dressing room...

This is my favourite song from her new album -


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newpathstohelicon | 30 September 2009 - 3:43pm

Sorry Mark

but I thought that was excruciating. I don't do Dawkins at all, the man's a theological pillock, and I don't rattle tambourines or wear sandles either, but he could use this in his 'educational camp' up the road to great effect. Speaking of camps and education.....

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RobertC | 30 September 2009 - 3:51pm

In this day and age....

...anyone who writes a song that is recognisably about life as it is live dshould be applauded.

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David Hepworth | 30 September 2009 - 4:01pm

In my opinion,

it may be a reflection of life and how it may be lived, depending, and many songs do that. However, unfortunately, it is a dreadful song. Message and quality have forgotten the house keys with this one.

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RobertC | 30 September 2009 - 5:08pm

Why is it a dreadful song?

Apart from the fact that you might disagree with its sentiments, that is.

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David Hepworth | 30 September 2009 - 5:08pm

It's not the sentiment at all.

It's just too bloody obvious, and from the school of song that is an immediate cheesey panacea. No real emotion delivered at all, just another yearning cliche. As Bob would say, nothing was delivered.

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RobertC | 30 September 2009 - 5:14pm

How bloody obvious can it be?

I can't immediately call to mind a song that says what it says. And it doesn't offer any panacea, does it? It seems to be rather emotional. Whether you share that emotion is another matter.

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David Hepworth | 30 September 2009 - 5:19pm

Whoa David !

I get the feeling I've annoyed you here. I don't like the song, I think the lyrics are facile and deliberate, and the chord sequences bore me.

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RobertC | 30 September 2009 - 5:24pm

And in response

I think Robert Wyatt's version of Shipbuilding delivers, for example.

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RobertC | 30 September 2009 - 5:29pm

Surely if something is facile...

...it can't also be deliberate. One implies lack of effort, the other implies great care.

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David Hepworth | 30 September 2009 - 5:48pm

Sir

I raise you Mudcrutch.

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RobertC | 30 September 2009 - 6:11pm

I'm with Mark on this

I love the song, I love the lyrics. I first heard it on the All Songs Considered podcast and it led to me buying the album which is very good.

I am not sure it is necessarily Christianity by the back door, as Regina is originally Jewish (I think). It's not by the back door anyway but is very up front about belief in a Deity of some kind, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I would say that wouldn't I?

I think she's right. I have walked around streets in the clerical collar I sometimes wear as part as the day (evening and night) job and people don't meet my gaze. In hospital, they open doors for me and stop me and want to talk to me. And we laugh with God and we cry with God.

[As an aside, why with so many rock stars getting on in years, is there so little about aging - "I ache in the places where I used to play" being the rare exception - or mortality?]

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DavidG | 30 September 2009 - 4:06pm

Point taken David

I mentioned Christianity, but I should have said theism or something less specific. Still, to me, the sentiment seems glib and clumsy.

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Martin | 30 September 2009 - 4:32pm

so

Are you a vicar then, or a deviant sort of stripper?

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badger_king | 30 September 2009 - 4:47pm

Not a vicar

but a minister - I'm not C of E.

I don't think I strip particularly deviantly - I'll have to ask the FPO.

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DavidG | 30 September 2009 - 5:51pm

haha

good times

another example of a christian with a sense of humour! hurrah! we do exist

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badger_king | 1 October 2009 - 11:33am

I understand and appreciate the sentiment

I'm afraid her mannered delivery was a bit of block I couldn't make out the positive verses at all (and listened to it twice).

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Chris G | 30 September 2009 - 4:07pm

So the message is...

many revert to life's big questions in a crisis. Not that profound really. Or have I misinterpreted?

Still prefer this one:


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Charlie Gordon | 30 September 2009 - 4:21pm

I think ME's point

was it makes a change for pop musicians to try to write about the everyday.
I think someone who also trys to do this is Richard Hawley this one had me at the title "I'm on nights"
http://open.spotify.com/track/42DEE1cgWtDjzHPdiIDs0z

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Chris G | 30 September 2009 - 4:42pm

Agreed

the fact that we are debating it is indeed an improvement. Now, where are my Oasis lyrics?

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Charlie Gordon | 30 September 2009 - 4:53pm

They're disappearing

faster than a cannonba... er, I put them somewhere in the Key Stage 2 folder I think.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 30 September 2009 - 5:14pm

Post edited

Actually I don't care - it's only pop music.

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Adman | 30 September 2009 - 6:11pm

She reminds me so much of Tori

Sorry about the quality. It's either this ot live clips...

Mark. Welcome to the old fogey age. Repeat after me..."Is it me?"

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Beany | 30 September 2009 - 4:54pm

It's rather good, actually.

After watching Gladys Knight show up all the younger talent on Jools last night, it's nice to hear a youngster stump up a song with half a brain and a more than half decent voice. It's not smug, it's ironic, and it's not denying the existence of gallows humour, it's recognising the queasy, shifty pain that sits beneath that humour's surface. And I don't buy that it's theist propaganda either, it just acknowledges that even the most Dawkins amongst us probably says 'Oh my God' when the reaper shows his hand. Nice observational stuff.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 30 September 2009 - 5:02pm

Isn't it ironic?

To me the song sounds like something that was rejected from an Alanis Morissette album.

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Martin | 30 September 2009 - 7:01pm

Hee-aaavy

Neil off the Young Ones discovers a song that’s like...really ...really... like ... just so deep. And... like ... real.
Keep up. It‘s all Prince and Chas’“n”’Dave round here this week.

My daughter swears by her version of John Lennon’s Real Love, but then she’s only 15 and ripe for being fished in by fake profundity.

(Apologies for rancid cynicism but this just sounds like contrived, affected poppycock to me. And I like all sorts of rubbish. Factually dodgy too: aren’t the poor, the freezing, the recipients of scary medical test results etc. the most likely to “laugh at God” and the very idea? )

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Richard Lowe | 30 September 2009 - 5:32pm

Nick of Time - Bonnie Raitt

is a grown-up song about growing old, growing up, moving on - plus it's sung by Bonnie Raitt

A friend of mine she cries at night, and she
Calls me on the phone
Sees babies everywhere she goes and she
Wants one of her own.
Shes waited long enough she says
And still she cant decide
Pretty soon shell have to choose and it tears her up inside...
Shes scared...scared shell run out of time.

I see my folks, theyre getting old, I watch their bodies change...
I know they see the same in me, and it makes us both feel strange...
No matter how you tell yourself, its what we all go through...
Those eyes are pretty hard to take when they're staring back at you.
Scared youll run out of time.

When did the choices get so hard?
With so much more at stake.
Life gets mighty precious when theres less of it to waste.
Oh...scared shell run out of time.

Just when I thought Id had enough
All my tears were shed...
No promise left unbroken,
There were no painful words unsaid.
You came along and showed me
How to leave it all behind....
You opened up my heart again and then much to my surprise.

I found love, love in the nick of time.


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Sheev | 30 September 2009 - 5:52pm

Much better...

Covers similar themes as the original post but it is an all together better song.

I like both but this is preferable and certainly easier on the ear!

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Uncle Wheaty | 30 September 2009 - 6:16pm

strongly agree

Speaking as an atheist, I see no problem with someone expressing their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. Spektor is, I suspect, someone who thinks rather deeply about such matters, and is rather more intelligent than the entry level for a pop star. The track that immediately follows this song on the album appears to be about how the human race likes to create idols. I don't think her belief is without intelligence and insight. Randy Newman similarly likes to call upon the comforting aspects of religion, and I don't think his opinions are as clear cut as we might like to think.

Even discounting the religious sentiment, the sheer heartfelt nature of her performance wins me over. I should listen to her more.

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Mavis Diles | 30 September 2009 - 6:28pm

Congratulations!

You must be the first person to get as far as 126 words into a piece about Regina Spektor before typing the word "kooky".

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Archie Valparaiso | 30 September 2009 - 6:34pm

I think I prefer Lily Allen

I find her lyrics say so much about my life. Oh dear, I think I'm giving too much away there.

Yes it's good that someone covers those subjects in new music - just wish it was a different singer singing different words to a different tune. I'll pass thanks.

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Sven Garlic | 30 September 2009 - 7:12pm

Add my name to the

"this is trite bilge" list.

The backing sounds like reheated Coldplay, the tune is wafer-thin, and lyrics are drowning under the weight of their own wannabe-profundity. And that voice! Sorry, but it all just really gets on my tits.

Besides, who on earth ever actually *laughs* at God? If you're a believer then you'd treat him/her/it with respect, if you're not then there's nothing to laugh at. I'm occasionally tempted to laugh at extreme fundamentalist nutters of any persuasion, but that's a different matter.

Now go wash your ears out with some Ben Folds, as a reminder of how piano-led pop with intelligent, heartfelt, though-provoking lyrics might properly sound. (Just don't start with "Bitch went nutz").

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Cadabra | 30 September 2009 - 8:18pm

Why not combine the two..?


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nicktf | 30 September 2009 - 9:26pm

It's a smashing song:

It's a smashing song: simple, reflective and moving. I might also add that Joan As Policewoman does this sort of thing very well, too. 'The Ride' from her last but one album's especially good.

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Martin_Horsfield | 30 September 2009 - 9:33pm

this is very difficult for me

Regina Spektor is my favorite lyricist of the moment. I think her last album was amazing and I really love her tunes a lot.

However I really have a problem with this particular song. I find the lyrics to be confusing and confused. This whole idea that no one is laughing at God is stupid, many people do laugh in the face of God and mortality in general. Similarly no one is necessarily laughing with God, as an agnostic I am not sure that it even exists, but if it does there is no guarantee it is can laugh.

Agreed God in omnipresent etc so literally you would be laughing with God as God is part of your laughter etc... Anyway any song that makes me spend more time thinking "what is this about" is clearly not a winner for me.

HOWEVER that doesn't mean I endorse any anti regina spektor stuff or that I do not promote her in every sense.

In fact I love her so much I have made a spotify playlist of songs for you Mark so you can listen to her best work, which also deals with the sort of themes you suggest.

http://open.spotify.com/user/goosefat101/playlist/2DgPrO6NNiWchjbfr6NBSe

(N.B. I refute the its not trying to be poetic and isn't poetic. I think she is trying to be poetic and that this song is poetic. To say it isn't poetic is to have a rather simplified view of poetry. Poetry is a massive sphere of art. Saying something isn't poetic is like saying something isn't music.)

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goosefat101 | 30 September 2009 - 10:08pm

I Agree.

"However I really have a problem with this particular song. I find the lyrics to be confusing and confused. This whole idea that no one is laughing at God is stupid, many people do laugh in the face of God and mortality in general. Similarly no one is necessarily laughing with God, as an agnostic I am not sure that it even exists, but if it does there is no guarantee it is can laugh."
[Apart from the agnostic bit.]

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ChaosandMorphine | 30 September 2009 - 11:24pm

Has anyone noticed how sour atheists have

got? They seem to have got as annoyingly certain dogmatic and dictatorial as militant religious types. The seem filled with humourlessness and are intent on telling everyone else what to do and how to live precisely the offences they claim religions have always committed. I've yet to work out where I stand on all this but I'm deeply sick of extreme views on either side and also the lack of empathy and understanding that those on the extremities seem to show.
ps. It's only a song.

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Chris G | 30 September 2009 - 10:21pm

I think you are being a tad harsh

on atheists, Chris. It is, as you point out, the extremists who spoil it for us all.

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ChaosandMorphine | 30 September 2009 - 11:21pm

Chris ...

...I've got nothing against religious sentiment in music. For hundreds of years music was about little else. But this song is not, in my opinion, a very eloquent expression of that sentiment. I fail to see how expressing that opinion classifies one as extreme. And let's not forget, it's Regina Spektor who is ramming this hamfisted mantra down our thoats. So who, exactly, is being dogmatic?

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Martin | 30 September 2009 - 11:52pm

What, all of us?

I don't proselytize any more than I expect you do, and living in the good ol' US of A, believe me, "dogmatic and dictatorial" does not generally come from the atheists. The last president thought that Harry Potter was promoting witchcraft for christ's heaven's goodness' sake

I also had the experience of watching my mother die of cancer, she was brave and dignified to the end (in her last week, she spent time writing out a number of recipes so that my dad could at least cook something for himself). The "god" who allows "his" subjects to suffer (three years of cancer vs a day on the cross?) has no place in my life.

PS I like Ms Spektor, but that song is doggerel, nearly as inane as this


Here's something rather more subtle along the same lines (sorry can't find a better version)


Anyway, this thread made me play this again


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nicktf | 1 October 2009 - 3:15am

Harry Potter

doesn't promote witchcraft

However, the idiots that create all the merchandise are.

Children can buy a "Book of spells". There's also websites dedicated to the spells of the books, compiling them including the "Dark Arts" section.
That can't be healthy, surely?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HARRY-POTTER-BOOK-OF-SPELLS/dp/B000VN5HSQ/ref=sr...

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badger_king | 1 October 2009 - 11:43am

Sorry,

you've lost me. Harry Potter *doesn't* promote witchcraft, but a book of the spells featured in Harry Potter *Is* promoting witchcraft? How so?

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ChaosandMorphine | 1 October 2009 - 1:55pm

And

if it is promoting witchcraft, so what? I don't believe in any of the mumbo-jumbo, but to my humble atheistic opinion white witches and pagans are more harmless than some born-again book-burning bigots. You believe in God? Yay, good for you. Well done. You don't believe in God? Ditto. You're unsure as to the existence of any deity or theist position,? See above.

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Paul Holmes | 1 October 2009 - 2:49pm

marketing

things to small children that they won't necessarily question, whether it be witchcraft, christianity, Nazism or smegging Mr Blobby is usually considered to be indoctrination

and I'm not a fan of indoctrination - it implies the child won't be able to form a fully informed choice - they'll be previously influenced in a certain viewpoint

the difference between books / films and the merchandise available is that the books don't categorically state that magic is great or will make you "cool", it just is the way it is. It's a way of warding off evil. Like Lord of the Rings. In the books, it is just a fact of life. But they're fiction. The fact that such merchandising items are now "real" so to speak means they will no longer be classed as fiction. For example, another case can be seen with the rise in teens calling themselves "vampires" to be trendy after Twilight came out (as parodied so well in South Park).

I don't see indoctrination as healthy, is all I'm saying. Hopefully that makes my view (for that is all it is) a bit clearer.

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badger_king | 1 October 2009 - 5:51pm

I agree

on the indoctrination thang; if I ever have kids I won't necessarily inculcate them in the ways of bitter cynicism, lapsed Trotskyism and jaded former punks. I was forced to go to church until I was approximately 15, and, if anything, that propelled me towards the path of disliking and distrusting religion. So indoctrination can repel as well as attract.

But, c'mon Badger, pretending to be magians/witches/pirates/superheroes or even sodding vampires is what kids do. The current Nosferatii trend is just an adjunct of the goth/emo creed - and just because they say they're vamps doesn't make 'em ontologically one of the fanged brigade. Plus surely it's harmless enough, like Halloween. I don't expect to read of blood-drenched coverns operating down my way any time soon....

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Paul Holmes | 2 October 2009 - 12:37pm

what's a magian?

Just wondering.

I've never "got" halloween though... does that make me a bad person? Dressing up in fangs to get sweets off of strangers? Its normally disallowed the rest of the year, why is it fine if you have horns and wings on?

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badger_king | 2 October 2009 - 4:33pm

It's obviously

a sodding typo, old bean. Sadly, my diabetic retionapthy was playing up today, but thanks for caring :-)
ps still nice to see a sense of humour and of perspective. Yr right, Halloween is the great evil facing us. That and witches. And vampires. But not magians

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Paul Holmes | 2 October 2009 - 10:47pm

and not forgetting

our great nemesis:

the crab people!!

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badger_king | 2 October 2009 - 11:01pm

I won't ask

how you caught 'em

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Paul Holmes | 3 October 2009 - 6:06pm

as an agnostic

I'd like to point out that there is very little difference between someone who believes emphatically in God and someone who believes emphatically that there is no God. How can anyone state with absolute certainty that they know such things.

I agree incidentally that it is "only a song". My problem with it is that lyrically it is a bad song (I really like the tune and music sadly). I am judging it on its merits as a song. I like lots of religious songs personally.

Someone put one of us on here, that's one of my favourites.

There is a fantastic amount of great country songs that are about God and the good ones get you regardless of what you believe, they reach out and touch the holy in us all, the desire for believe and comfort and transportation and moral codes.

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goosefat101 | 1 October 2009 - 7:16pm

Sure there's a difference...

I'd like to point out that there is very little difference between someone who believes emphatically in God and someone who believes emphatically that there is no God. How can anyone state with absolute certainty that they know such things.

...If you have, say, a religious president who believes we are living in the end times, whose actions influence and affect a world (why bother "greening" the planet, when the rapture is imminent?). Those actions are going to be very different from someone who doesn't believe in predestination and a "higher hand". Big difference in my book.

the desire for believe and comfort and transportation and moral codes.

...I'm with you for the comfort and transportation bits, I love my Mini Clubman :-)

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nicktf | 2 October 2009 - 7:41pm

noticing the similarities in extream positions

isn't the same as endorsing the connection of church and state. Nor is it claiming that organised religion hasn't be extremely awful in most places that it has been allowed power over individuals.

State should always be secular. Which doesn't mean only atheists get to be in power. I don't wan't idiotic rapture types in power but I would also prefer someone with a moral compass (even if it is derived from a religion) to be in charge for example rather than someone who has embraced nihilism due to the whole God is dead angle.

What I am saying is that in terms of the arrogant assumption of absolute knowledge I see no difference between someone who is religious and someone who is an atheist. We cannot know and all evidence for and against God is judged through a subjective filter. For some evolution disproves God for others it is proof of an intelligent designer.

For those who don't believe in evolution... well heaven help them ;-)

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goosefat101 | 3 October 2009 - 2:31pm

does

Natural selection count?

I have some weird views... it's just I'd like more evidence than exists for certain stages of evolution. Get me them and I will wholeheartedly agree. But, for me, 3 or 4 examples from a time span covering a thousand years doesn't really count as proof, more as a guide to a possibility.

But yeah, I can't see why not.

Natural selection is irrefutable, however. The dodo was a pile of arse. Thus it became extinct. The world moves on.

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badger_king | 3 October 2009 - 5:39pm

Elbow - Switching Off

Last of the men in hats hops off the coil
And a final scene unfolds inside
Deep in the rain of sparks behind his brow
Is a part replayed from a perfect day
Teaching her how to whistle like a boy
Love's first blush

Chorus
Is this making sense?
What am I trying to say?
Early evening June
This room and a radio play
This I need to save
I choose my final thoughts today
Switching off with you

All the clocks give in
And the traffic fades
And the insects like a neon choir
The instant fizz
Connection made
And the curtains sigh
In time
With you

Chorus 2
You, the only sense the world has ever made
Early evening June
This room and radio play
This I need to save
I choose my final scene today
Switching off

Ran to ground for a while there
But I came off pretty well

Chorus 3
You, the only sense the world has ever made
This I need to save
A simple trinket locked away
I choose my final scene today
Switching off with you

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ChaosandMorphine | 30 September 2009 - 11:30pm

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Martin | 30 September 2009 - 11:47pm

Polly Paulusma - Perfect 4/4

Wires fan before you, they draw you
In deep troughs and sharp peaks of green
Each cough rips through you, it wounds you
And flatlines cry wolf on the screen
If I could change the shapes of the waves
They'd all be a perfect 4/4
If I could exchange the sky for this cage
You'd walk with me straight out the door
You'd walk with me straight
Needles slip in you, they pin you
To whimpering, limping machines
Night air surrounds you, it drowns you
In billows and pillows and sheets

If I could change the shapes of the waves
They'd all be a perfect 4/4
If I could exchange the sky for this cage
You'd walk with me straight out the door
You'de walk with me straight

Wires fan before you
They draw you
In deep troughs and sharp peaks of green

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ChaosandMorphine | 30 September 2009 - 11:33pm

This song always touches me

Well I've been working hard to reach me target
To earn a few bob for a day trip down to Margate
I'm gonna blow the lot tomorrow on all me family
We catch the coach at eight so don't be late, were off to see the sea

Hurry up will ya Grandad, come on were going

Down to Margate, don't forget your buckets and spades and cossys and all
Down to Margate, we'll have a pill of jellied eels at the cockle stall
Down to Margate, we'll go on the pier and we'll have a beer aside of the sea

Down to Margate, you can keep the Costa Brava, I'm telling ya mate I'd rather have a day down Margate with all me family

Along the promenade we spend some money
And we find a spot on the beach that's simply sunny
The kids will all enjoy themself digging up the sand, collecting stones and winkle shells to take back home to nan

Behave yourself grandad, or you won't be going

Down to Margate, don't forget your buckets and spades and cossies and all
Down to Margate, we'll have a pill of jellied eels at the cockle stall
Down to Margate, we'll go on the pier and we'll have a beer aside of the sea
You can keep the Costa Brava and all that palava, going no farther, me i'd rather have me a day down Margate with all me family

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art vanderlay | 1 October 2009 - 12:18pm
Slotbadger | 3 October 2009 - 2:42pm

I like the song

it makes you think.....

Like Paul Holmes I had a brush with mortality a few years back (also heart difficulties - seems our surname isn't all we share) and like him I didn't feel the need to pray. But the other side of this is that both parents died and I valued the role that religious ceremony played in putting a structure on the grieving process though for me it was more form than content for my family it wasn't and that structure had a value beyond any spiritual content.

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Gramsci | 2 October 2009 - 4:57pm
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