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Are you a musical genius?

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I am. I was at a local football club's trivia night last week and did quite well in the music round. I could identify the album artwork for Born in the USA, Abbey Road and Nevermind - and I could identify the intro to Sweet Child O' Mine.

I know what you're thinking - "pah! pretty basic stuff!". Yes it is. Yet the woman opposite me declared me a musical genius. I must also say that there was only one other person on the table of 6 that seemed to have any idea at all.

This may have been discussed before, but has pop/rock music become marginalised to a hobby for anoraks?

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your move?

The woman sitting opposite you ... was she a looker?

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DC Eisenhower | 15 November 2010 - 8:40am

Your Move?

The first part of "Ive Seen All Good People", from "The Yes Album".

Next question?

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Molesworth | 15 November 2010 - 9:13am

Very much so

But not to the same extent as my GLW, who was sitting to my right.

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Austin | 15 November 2010 - 8:45am

oh deftly played sir!

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Ozmium | 15 November 2010 - 4:41pm

Nothing new

It's always been the case that most people regard music as background and care very little about the details. Thank heavens The Word and the Massive exists for those of us for whom music matters.

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Mavis Diles | 15 November 2010 - 9:03am

Different levels

I once won a pub quiz sitting at the bar on my own,though i credited my dog as part of the time.
A few weeks later the quiz compiler asked me to be part of his team in a quiz in a pub in Hove. The music round was all Gilbert and Sullivan,most of the other question were on the old(Bamber)University Challenge level. I knew about 4 answers all night. I never did get to hear who designed the lamposts in Brunswick Square.

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Sour Crout | 15 November 2010 - 9:21am

I've never won a music pub quiz on my own...

but I did come third, which was especially pleasing as teams from the NME and Melody Maker were taking part. I got a better score than the MM lot - loooosers!

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Patrick Crowther | 15 November 2010 - 2:44pm

If you're a genius

then I'm a genius too.

I'd agree that's all pretty basic stuff, but I'm only 24 and sometimes in pub quizzes I know the answers to music questions about stuff released - shock, horror! - before I was born.

About three years ago, I was at a quiz that had an album covers round. The fact I was able to identify Hotel California and Rumours amongst others almost led to me being burned as a witch.

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Joe R | 15 November 2010 - 10:02am

Not marginalised but the focus has changed.

Whereas once we'd be discussing the relative merits of the 5 bass players and 18 drummers credited on the latest Steely Dan album, pop fans nowadays are more concerned about whether so and so has had a boob job, is still seeing whoever and what they wore last night to a film premiere. As the Dan sang in "My Old School": "The things that pass for knowledge I just can't understand."

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Mark JF | 15 November 2010 - 10:30am

"The things that pass for knowledge I just can't understand."

What a great line,Thanks mark. That had passed me by.

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Sour Crout | 15 November 2010 - 11:21am

Blast, Glasgow -

that line's from 'Reeling in the Years'

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James Blast | 15 November 2010 - 11:41am

10 points to Glasgow, afraid you lose five JF

Your three bonuses are on lyrics then Glasgow.

From what songs do these lyrics come?

"A dewdrop can exalt us like the music of the sun"?

"Strange spaghetti in this solemn city"?

"I'm pining for the pork"?

Have to hurry you...

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Molesworth | 15 November 2010 - 11:54am

Shite

ones?

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DogFacedBoy | 15 November 2010 - 12:00pm

Without phoning a friend

the first one involves a seasoned witch who could call you from the depths of your disgrace.
The others stump me.

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MyAmericanMate | 15 November 2010 - 12:26pm

The first one does

indeed, involve a witch to whom pepper, paprika and, perhaps, salt has been added. "Close To The Edge".

STD has nailed number three as "Porcupine" further down this thread.

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Molesworth | 15 November 2010 - 5:35pm

I'm pining for the pork..

of the porcupine!!!
Bunnymen, Porcupine (my specialist subject - or is that the other TV quiz?)

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ian s | 15 November 2010 - 10:23pm

Correct!

Spookily, there was tenuous link to number 2 on tonight's University Challenge. That must be a meta something or other.

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Molesworth | 15 November 2010 - 11:37pm

Well spotted, Private Blast...

... I was wondering who'd be first to spot my deliberate mistake.* Whoops!

* (c) 1943 Captain Mainwaring

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Mark JF | 15 November 2010 - 2:03pm

Stupid

boy.....

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DogFacedBoy | 15 November 2010 - 2:06pm

Second deliberate mistake:

there's no "just" in that line.

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nigelthebald | 15 November 2010 - 6:38pm

There is on the live

version.

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Mark JF | 16 November 2010 - 9:14am

Never heard

the live version, Mark, but fair enough...

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nigelthebald | 16 November 2010 - 11:40am

Easily Impressed

A bunch of us used to go to a great pub quiz in Leeds years ago. Carl Puttnam from Cud used to be the quizmeister (nobody remembers Cud, E...nobody is impressed). Oh all right then, it was Vashti Bunyan - a great pop quizmeistress she was and all!

Anyway, I must admit that whenever someone got an answer right that I couldn't answer, I thought they were a genius too. A team-mate correctly identified the introduction to Peace Frog by the Doors, and I was in awe...

I do think it's very anorak-y these days, though. Not quite the common cultural currency it used to be.

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BigE | 15 November 2010 - 10:47am

The old adage applies.

In music quizzes, if someone doesn't know something that you do, they're pointless, ill-educated thickoes who should take more interest in The World around them. If someone knows something you don't, they're hopeless, friendless anoraks who really should try to get a life.

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Lenny Law | 15 November 2010 - 11:00am

Yes

If you get something others consider relatively obscure - like who sang Strawberry Fields Forever - you're seen as this rather bizarre Asperger's case who's clearly spent far too much time in their bedroom.

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Five-Centres | 15 November 2010 - 11:01am

Know that one

Candy Flip ,from Stoke, that's how i remembered

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Sour Crout | 15 November 2010 - 11:24am

what is

a Candy Flip tho....

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gaz | 15 November 2010 - 11:28am

Is it not..

One tab of acid, one of E?

(A former girlfriend of mine told me this. She was younger than me. She'd never heard of the band. I felt old.)

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Lenny Law | 15 November 2010 - 1:15pm

correct

a combination of LSD and "E" according to someone who knows these things. not me honest. it's a Potteries thing

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Sour Crout | 15 November 2010 - 11:54pm

A pedant writes...

You, like me and I suspect the majority of the Massive, are not a musical genius. We just have a (tragic?) inability to forget stuff, which comes in handy for pub quizzes. John Coltrane was a musical genius.

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mikethep | 15 November 2010 - 11:01am

Pop quiz

I used to be a regular attendee at a music quiz in Stoke Newington, and one night the rest of the team couldn't make it so I went down by myself and came second. The prize for me that night was 8 free pints on a night of my choosing. The following Friday was my birthday so I drank the prize.

Some of that quiz was tough even for people who knew their music mind you, but yeah, I've been seen as a bit of a weirdo for knowing what year Sgt Pepper came out, or what the names of the bass players of The Jam, Duran Duran and The Who were.

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SimonL | 15 November 2010 - 11:27am

There was still a music quiz

8.30pm every Tuesday at The Lion, Stoke Newington on Church Street.
Hosted by Mistress Mel, its been going for years at various venues round Stokie.

I do it when we can get a proper team together as me and my mate are good but not that good to beat teams of 10. So if anyone fancies it, apply below.......

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DogFacedBoy | 15 November 2010 - 11:41am

That's the one

I moved out of the area(city even) last year, the last time I went it was at The Prince.

The day I came second the winning team (Tray Of Meat I think they were called) numbered about 12...

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SimonL | 15 November 2010 - 11:42am

could well be up for that

I love a good pub quiz.

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Hannah | 15 November 2010 - 6:03pm

Me too...

...but I'm quite rubbish at quizzes, and have *not* got the level of knowledge that this blog regularly uncovers. I can name all of the Beatles, though, if that helps.

Not selling myself as team member here am I?

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JoLean | 15 November 2010 - 6:15pm

Right, will

see if we can get a Massive team together sometime soon.

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DogFacedBoy | 15 November 2010 - 7:53pm

Stokie

is quite doable for me. The only proviso is a possible clash with my once a month quiz night, which is usually 2nd Tuesday of the month.

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Carl Parker | 15 November 2010 - 9:56pm

Of course I am.

And to prove it, last year I took part in BBC Radio 4's Counterpoint, their really hard music quiz. A good number of the questions are on classical music, but they do cover other subjects. The second round is a 'specialist subject' one, but you have to pick from a list given out at the end of the first round, with the contestant with the most points getting the first choice. The final round is a quick-fire buzzer one.

I won my heat fair and square. I came top in the opening round, and so had first dibs on the next. I plumped for one on Death Discs and somehow managed to get full marks. That left me still in the lead, and despite not being as quick on the buzzer as the others I held on.

The semi-final that followed didn't go as well, mainly due to having a really awful set of specialist subjects to chose from. I ended up going for one on the music of animated feature films, and only managed to answer about half of them. By then I was too far behind to have any hope of catching up.

All that and I still can't find a job!

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JQW | 15 November 2010 - 12:15pm

No first names.

Very impressed about Counterpoint (although may have told you that before. Someone here, definitely).

Although I do think it has lost a certain something now contestants are called by their first names rather than Mr and Mrs Surname.

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JoLean | 15 November 2010 - 4:01pm

I feel with Counterpoint it

I feel with Counterpoint it is a badge of honour to not know the populist questions. Some of the wrong answers given are generally laughable, however, if it is classical/light opera the knowledge is generally a given.

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woodface | 15 November 2010 - 7:55pm

I think...

...you're mistaken, woodface. The kind of people who go on national quiz shows are highly competitive. They wouldn't be there if they weren't. Millions of people are listening. Why would they regard it as 'a badge of honour' to get certain questions wrong? They really want to win.

Counterpoint is a quiz for all-rounders. If you knew a huge amount about jazz, or opera, or musical theatre, you'd think the questions in your field pretty simple. But the Counterpoint competitors need to score well across all those subjects and more.

What's more, questions on pop music are very age-sensitive. Someone who is 50 may not be able to name Girls Aloud; someone who is 20 may not be able to name the Supremes.

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Inky Fingers | 15 November 2010 - 8:44pm

"really hard music quiz"

and then some. As hard as "My Music" Though ?

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Sour Crout | 15 November 2010 - 11:56pm

Once won a pub quiz with

Once won a pub quiz with mate with our ( not very complicated) pop answers .An older bloke near us commented he had no idea about the handful of pop questions - wheras we said they were Ok ( being fairly general easy stuff ).

He gave us 6 or 7 hard naval military battles answers in exchange for a couple of ours .

We won by 1 point - collected our meagre winnings -and sneaked out embarrassedly.

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bilko6 | 15 November 2010 - 12:24pm

No

But I did find it amusing that many people posted on twitter stating that To Make You Feel My Love and Nothing Compares 2 U on the X Factor were not American Anthems although they had been written by Dylan and Prince respectively.

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MrRadio | 15 November 2010 - 12:28pm

Queen

I once had to dispute the results of a pub quiz. I'd answered 'Farrokh Bulsara' to the question 'What was Freddie Mercury's real name?' and the bloke gave me half marks because he had the answer as 'Frederick Bulsara'.

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Spartacus Mills | 15 November 2010 - 12:46pm

Had one a few weeks back

"Who got to number 1 with "Are Friends Electric ?" we answered Tubeway Army and the compere said "No,it was Gary Numan". Heated words were exchanged before an iPhone confirmed we were right.

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Sour Crout | 15 November 2010 - 11:59pm

Suck up the Praise.

Next time, just smile sweetly and say "Why thank you".

It's human to admire something in others that we can't do ourselves.

I get "Ooooooh you're Nigella!" all the time from friends, just because I enjoy making cakes. There's nothing terribly difficult about it.

Same with music quizzes - I'm interested in music, I find it easy to remember intros and trivia. Doesn't make me a genius, but if someone wants to call me that, I'm not going to disagree!

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Hannah | 15 November 2010 - 12:48pm

I thought

you were Kate Winslet, Hannah...

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nigelthebald | 15 November 2010 - 6:43pm

I am, I am.

I look like a chubby Kate Winslet, and I cook like Nigella.

I can also climb walls like Spiderman, and sing like Rene and Renata combined.

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Hannah | 15 November 2010 - 7:00pm

Do you have Nigella's

skill with double and single entendres?

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DogFacedBoy | 15 November 2010 - 7:40pm

sadly not

I'm an utterly rubbish flirt, and blush far too much to even think about using innuendoes.

However, apparently I have an absolutely filthy laugh, which hopefully goes some way to compensate for the lack of smut.

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Hannah | 16 November 2010 - 1:33am

Listening to Rene and Renata sing

has me climbing the walls, too.

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nigelthebald | 16 November 2010 - 11:41am

Pink Questions

No, not a pub quiz genius but when playing Trivial Pursuit most know not to allow me anywhere near the pink questions on Entertainment.

I seem to know most of them, which must be a fluke of huge proportions. Once I was in a 'he'll never get this one' situation. Victory was mine if I knew the answer to 'Which city did George Hamilton IV sing about?' Titters from all around me, thinking I was screwed. None of them having a notion who George Hamilton IV was.

'Abilene', I said.

'Bastard!', they said.

What I do find surprising is how little my immediate family know of modern music, ie that made in the past 40 years or so which they must have soaked up to some degree. I have a young nephew, Joe, who has taken a few guitar lessons recently. He's only 11 and isn't really fussed about music just yet and his interest in his guitar isn't strong. Still, he's learnt the basic root major chords so should he become keener in his teens he's ahead of the game.

Since he started playing I've tried to encourage him and talk about famous guitarists with him. Recently, when we meet, I've taken to greeting him by singing the intro riff to Hey Joe and the first line, 'Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that gun in yo' hand?' (in my role as his Most Embarrasing Uncle, you see)

This has been met with absolute bafflement by his parents, my sister in law and brother in law, both just a couple of years younger than me. So much so I had to explain to them both not only that 'Hey Joe' was Hendrix's breakthrough single but also who Hendrix was. Something I thought would be common knowledge to anyone my age.

But it isn't.

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Beezer | 15 November 2010 - 12:58pm

Oof.

Tried to explain to my girlfriend just the other week what 'all the fuss' over Hendrix was about.

A situation to counter the subject of this thread: I'm given a really easy question but am stupefied into an inability to respond.

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murrance | 15 November 2010 - 6:29pm

While we're on the subject

I am on the look out for a good pub quiz in central or south west London. Anyone know of any and does anyone need an extra member (ooh er)?

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jimmyshoes01 | 15 November 2010 - 1:12pm

How did Billy Joel try to commit suicide?

(Overheard pop quiz question)

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Olthwaite | 15 November 2010 - 1:41pm

In the middle of the night

did he go walking in his sleep? Not necessarily suicidal, but possibly quite dangerous, particularly if it was towards a river.

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milkybarnick | 15 November 2010 - 2:22pm

Drinking Furniture Polish

really

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MrRadio | 15 November 2010 - 2:37pm

Double Post

really

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MrRadio | 15 November 2010 - 2:39pm

Triple Post

really

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MrRadio | 15 November 2010 - 2:39pm

Post Four

really

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MrRadio | 15 November 2010 - 2:40pm

are you sure?

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badartdog | 15 November 2010 - 7:50pm

Yes

He admitted it himself

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MrRadio | 15 November 2010 - 8:10pm

It would've been a lovely finish!

Boom-TSCH!

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Metal Mickey | 16 November 2010 - 10:49am

Can I recommend?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brain-Men-Passion-Marcus-Berkmann/dp/0316847690/...

I'm sure many of the Massive will recognise themselves.

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Pinmonkey | 15 November 2010 - 1:49pm

Quiz Questions - hah!

I reckon the in-depth musical knowledge has suffered as a result of the loss of the LP cover. We don't sit and pore over all the details whilst listening to a CD as we used to with vinyl. I find these days that people around 20 struggle to name all four Beatles!

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Baskerville Old Face | 15 November 2010 - 1:57pm

I'll play Devil's advocate here

I think 20 year olds should be able to name all four Beatles, and I certainly could when I was 20.

But, how many people of your generation could answer the same question (relatively speaking) at the age of 20? For a 20 year old, the Beatles were over 20 years before they were born. So, think of the equivalent for your 20 year old self, and then ask how many people knew who "The Beatles" were.

(I'm aware that's extremely clumsily worded, but I'm in a rush and hopefully you can get my point!)

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Joe R | 15 November 2010 - 2:11pm

Spot on

Echo & The Bunnymen's (Ian McCulloch, Will Sergeant, Les Pattison, Pete De Freitas) "Porcupine" lp (1983) is one I seldom take out but without looking I know it has "pining for the pork of the porcupine" written on the inner sleeve, "The Back Of Love" and "The Cutter" (I believe, their first top ten hit) were the singles and I'm not sure but I'm confident it was produced by Ian Broudie.
The Decemberists are one of my favourite bands of the last ten years. I can't name any of them except Colin Meloy, am not sure which songs are the singles and couldn't tell you who produces their records. I could probably work out through association what year "The Crane Wife" came out but it's not the automatic "Porcupine" 83 it used to be.

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STD | 15 November 2010 - 5:08pm

Without Checking

Colin Meloy
Chris Funk
Jenny Conlee
John the drummer

and then I think the bassist is Nate Query, or something like that.

Rachel Blumberg was the orginal drummer, up until The Crane Wife. They also had a different bassist for 'Her Majesty'

Production wise, I think (know?) Chris Walla has produced a couple, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

Now, considering The Decemberists are my favourite band, I don't seem to know much about their finer details. I do know, however, that Mrs Meloy does the artwork for the album sleeves.

Having said that, I can name all the members of The Everly Brothers, including Phil.

Edit: John Moen.

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Tom | 15 November 2010 - 8:07pm

Am I a musical genius

Am i fuck.

Just good at remembering music trivia (50 years experience)

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jackthebiscuit | 15 November 2010 - 2:40pm

Calling All The Heroes by It Bites

Won me the top prize in a pub quiz on my first visit to my university 'old man' local. Adding that they were from Egremont was a wholly unnecessary addition from me as it wasn't worth a thing.

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JamesB | 15 November 2010 - 2:51pm

It bites (from egremont)

Or as they are known in the Workington local rag

"It Bites - local music legends"

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jackthebiscuit | 15 November 2010 - 3:01pm

Cheat!

After winning a pub music quiz the other month, we were accused by half the pub of cheating. We must have used our mobile's to have got those answers was the most common accusation.I know the people who ran the quiz, and they said that they'd aimed it at a general audience, nothing obscure maybe a few tricky name that year questions (which if you don't know you can always have a stab at). Are you not actually allowed to know stuff anymore?

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Andy Mackenzie | 15 November 2010 - 3:56pm

If only...

I attend a pub quiz about once a month with a couple of mates. Unfortunately the music questions that generally come up require a knowledge of the singles charts from the mid 90s on. We've changed venues a couple of times, but are still looking for a 50+ friendly quiz.

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Carl Parker | 15 November 2010 - 7:28pm

Why not...

...start one?

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Inky Fingers | 15 November 2010 - 8:09pm

On Holiday

in Majorca this year, the GLW and myself entered a pub that was having a quiz night. Anyroads we partook of the quiz and finished joint first with four guys from Doncaster. The tie break Q was "Which sportsman was known as The Louisville Lip?" Ahah, sealed answers please. Cassius Clay was mine, and Mohammed Ali was the Donie boys one. Guess what? I lost, despite explaining that Clay and Ali were one and the same..... The Quizmeister had never heard of Cassius Clay.
"It's not the answer I have on here". A similar incident took place in a SERIOUS quiz some years ago when the question was "Who was the last of the Mohicans? Our team got it right, the Quizzer got it wrong. Go on Massive. Whats your answer?

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geacher53 | 15 November 2010 - 9:25pm

Wattie from the Exploited?

.

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Austin | 15 November 2010 - 9:32pm

Re: Ali v Clay

The same thing happened in reverse on RTE's "Know Your Sport" programmme over here in Ireland. The questioner asked who defeated Sonny Liston to become World Heavyweight Champion and the contestant replied "Muhammad Ali".
"I can't accept that", said the questioner "At that time he was known as Cassius Clay".
Two Things here:
1. At least your quizmaster had never heard of Cassius Clay and was simply out of his depth.
2. The man was ten times more famous as Muhammad Ali and had been known by that name for over 20 years when the question was asked.
The contestant took this verdict without blinking while I screamed about the injustice at the tv and never watched that programme again.

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STD | 16 November 2010 - 8:08am

I know this...

...it's Daniel Day Lewis.

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JoLean | 15 November 2010 - 9:56pm

Nope

wrong on both counts

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geacher53 | 15 November 2010 - 10:08pm

X

Moore?

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James Blast | 15 November 2010 - 10:21pm

Me,sir.Me, Sir

Uncas.
Now i want a 20 point bonus 4 questions 5 points each no conferring.

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Sour Crout | 16 November 2010 - 12:08am

?

What? Anyway Sir James, be a good chap and go on to Youtube a search for "countdown wankers". The 2003 version, not the later one and you will find Gino Corr... he was the quizmaster who got it wrong... go and put it up for me on thise page please. Please?

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geacher53 | 15 November 2010 - 10:40pm

Yeah! Oui! Si!

Oh master...

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James Blast | 15 November 2010 - 11:00pm

I DID

say please.....

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geacher53 | 16 November 2010 - 8:52pm

back

I counter with this riposte! -

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James Blast | 15 November 2010 - 11:04pm

Obvious fake.

It's an obvious fake. Even ignoring the various edits and the oddly shaped F, the actual countdown rules state that you have to chose between three and five vowels per round.

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JQW | 16 November 2010 - 8:38pm

Aye but

it made me snigger in an overgrown schoolboy kinda way. [snort]

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James Blast | 16 November 2010 - 10:22pm

When it can all go horribly wrong

I hosted a pop quiz about 20 years ago for work and I tried to be a bit smart with a question that went:

"With which song did The Beatles celebrate their first number one?"

My answer was Please Please Me, because I had seen a drawing in a book of them celebrating in the studio, with a speech bubble from George Martin saying "Boys, Please Please Me is Number One!".
I think that is because there was more than one chart around at the time.

Anyway, bloke married to quiet lady in accounts decides to take issue with me on that one. He goes home, gets the Guinness Book of Hit Singles, comes back and points to the entry where it says No 2.

I stood firm though and have never felt so hated by another human being. His team lost by one point as well. Oh dear.

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Austin | 16 November 2010 - 3:37am

It's a tricky one.

Therefore quiz questions based on the charts during this era can easily be open to interpretation. You and the contestant were both technically right!

There were four or five different singles charts in the UK at the time of Please Please Me's release, each compiled by a different magazine. The single made No. 1 in some of them, but critically not in the one in Record Retailer which is used by the Guinness Books for that era. To make things even more complicated, the chart used by the BBC at the time was made by averaging the various other charts together. It wasn't until 1969 that an official chart appeared.

Guinness chose the Record Retailer chart as it was the first to go to a top 50. It was also more reliable, as it was notoriously easy for band managers to gain entry in the lower reaches of certain other charts in exchange for favours or fivers.

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JQW | 16 November 2010 - 8:02pm

On a related topic...

... did anyone see The X-Factor at the weekend? It was Elton John theme week (rather strange, bearing in mind that Reg has been very disparaging of XF in the publicity duties for "The Union" album, but whatever...), and one contestant did "Crocodile Rock", after which the fragrant Cheryl Cole declared quite happily that she'd never heard that song before, but really liked it...

Now notwithstanding that this song was a hit 11 years before she was born (feeling old yet?), and also that I'm not 100% sure how conversant I'd be with hits from 11 years before my birth (i.e. from 1952 in my case), I was still quite floored by this - am I wrong?

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Metal Mickey | 16 November 2010 - 10:57am

I'm not sure

As a fan of music in general, I was quite surprised too, but I'm not sure if I'd have been aware of the song if I wasn't an admirer of the HCH. You could point to 'Candle in the Wind' (at least the 'Diana' version), 'Your Song' and 'Don't Go Breaking My Heart' as songs Mrs Kerl should be aware of, but does 'Crocodile Rock' belong in the same category? I'd suggest it doesn't, but perhaps (at least) Cheryl should've done her homework for the week and acquainted herself with an Elton Best Of.

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Tom | 16 November 2010 - 7:32pm
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