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Children in need - of a career

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Ben Taylor, son of James and Carly Simon has got quite a nice voice, very reminiscent of his father.

But it's unlikely he's going to set the world alight. It strikes me that rock stars' kids rarely do, perhaps because they don't really have to - it's not like they need the money - or think they have such a lot to live up to that there's no point even trying:

Jakob Dylan
Julian Lennon
Carol King's daughter
Wilson/Phillips
Teddy Thompson

..to name but a few

They're born into it, they have all the contacts in place, the whole rock thing is not alien to them, it's just life. They never seem to really care that much about it or be hungry for success, unlike their parents were.

Which leads me to my point - can you name any rock progeny, apart from Eliza Carthy, who have/have had a successful and sustainable career? They all seem to fizzle out after a while.

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Shuggie Otis

I win.


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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 10:00am

Really?

Two or three albums before he was out of his teens, then virtual retirement by 23. If that's success, Shuggie evidently didn't like the taste.

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Stan Halen | 3 November 2009 - 3:59am

Seems A Good Place As Any...

...to mention that this son of Kevin Coyne is playing some tribute dates in Belgium where he and a band consisting of Jon Langford, Brendan Croker, Wreckless Eric and Amy Rigby will be singing and playing Kevin's songs.
And in his own right Robert Coyne will be playing the ATP festival as guest of MBV. www.myspace.com/robcoyne

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Tony Donaghey | 2 November 2009 - 10:27am

Dylan Howe, son of Skeletor...

Played sessions before becoming The Blockheads' drummer. He's damn good (taught by the P of ELP, I believe) and should be around for the long haul.

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Patrick Crowther | 2 November 2009 - 10:37am

Sean Lennon

still active, doing good things (Friendly Fire album), production work, film score work. Not as popular as his dad, but not failing by a long way.


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badger_king | 2 November 2009 - 11:00am

Zak Starkey

has done ok for himself. Pretty good on the drums too!

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 11:02am

Of course there's always Ross's lad

Declan Patrick Aloysius......

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 11:05am

Rufus & Martha Wainwright

Progeny of Loudon Wainwright & Kate McGarrigle. Lucy Wainwright Roche, daughter of Loudon & Suzzy Roche is building a solid career for herself. There probably a few more McGarrigles, Wainwrights and Roches out there waiting in the wings.

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wayfarer | 2 November 2009 - 11:07am

Of all of these

Rufus is probably the most successful and has managed to keep going for years, and Zak Starkey, albeit quietly.

But some of the others...not what you'd call household names!

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 11:33am

Sorry

Declan Patrick Aloysius MacManus is not a household name.

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 11:45am

Yes, but his father was hardly the most famous man

in Britain.

Why don't you just call him Elvis Costello?

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 11:51am

Because

It's Monday.

What's your definition of household name by the way?

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 12:23pm

Elvis Costello is a household name

But his real name is not. And his father definitely is not.

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 12:25pm

Yes, but he (his father) was.

I guess you mean by household name you mean someone that is known by Word readers. Is Elvis Costello known to the X-Factor audience?

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 12:36pm

Can you not

be a Word reader and an X-Factor viewer? Does the Word Massive Stasi Division not allow this?

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Mikhail | 2 November 2009 - 2:21pm

You are Louis Walsh

and I claim my £5.

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 3:00pm

Put the fiver

on Jedward to win :-)

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Mikhail | 2 November 2009 - 3:10pm

Although he was the R Whites

Secret Lemonade Drinker...which should have made him a household name

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Mikhail | 2 November 2009 - 2:17pm

As the Secret Lemonade Drinker

he was a household name. But not as himself.

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 2:17pm

Really?

I never knew that. According to the blessed internet, Elvis was on backing vocals too (as a teenager).

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Austin | 3 November 2009 - 4:27am

The Gables?

Dunroamin'?
Thistle Cottage?
Seaview?

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Vulpes Vulpes | 2 November 2009 - 12:30pm

Errr...Jeff Buckley?

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poolhallrichard | 2 November 2009 - 11:53am

I wonder...

how Jeff Buckley's career turned out had he lived? I am going to suggest that he probably wouldn't have been a great success. His records didn't sell well when he was alive and he's only really become well known due to the time-honoured maxim that 'death sells'.

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Patrick Crowther | 2 November 2009 - 6:11pm

You forget Patrick

that was the olden days when artist development happened at major labels. Grace, his only album, did attain gold status before his death in the huge record buying republic of France. Three albums in and he could have gone on to be the next erm....oh I dunno, Lenny Kravitz.

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 6:29pm

He was a lot better than that.

I can understand people thinking his death added to his sales figures, but Jeff struck me as the real deal.

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dannyboy3000 | 2 November 2009 - 8:57pm

Interesting

I sometimes wonder how a band/artist would have developed if the grim reaper hadn't paid a visit.

Would Joy Division have embraced electronics and dance if Curtis had been around? Would Nirvana have carried on becoming less commercial as they developed?

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Mint | 3 November 2009 - 5:43am

Alisha's Attic

The daughters of Brian Poole (& The Tremeloes).

They still are around, notably behind the scenes writing songs for and with the usual parade of chart artists in need of songs, especially a lot of the more manufactured end of things.

A more financially rewarding career than being upfront, I would think , having songs on Sugababes and Kylie albums.

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 12:06pm

Not forgetting

another Tremeloes progeny alumni - the great Chesney Hawkes. Last seen on the One Show - doesn't get any bigger than that!

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Mikhail | 2 November 2009 - 2:28pm

How about

Zoe Ball

Oh, ROCK Stars' kids, you say...

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Guitarbug | 2 November 2009 - 12:07pm

Oh Oh Oh

Kim Wilde. My first major crush. Lovely.

I guess Marty Wilde counts as famous. And Kim certainly was successful for a while longer than some.

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 12:09pm

Kim Wilde

Who didn't want to use her father's success as a springboard.

But who adopted his stage-name as her surname.

Hmmm.

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lennylaw | 2 November 2009 - 2:21pm

Nick Harper

Son of Roy, has carved out a niche for himself with some fine releases. His instrumental EP, called, er, Instrumental is a tour de force, and the conventional words & music material is equally excellent. There are several albums you should check out.

And I don't think you can dismiss Teddy Thompson either. I see no evidence of his having 'fizzled out'.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 2 November 2009 - 12:27pm

I think Teddy Thompson is great

But as I said in my original post, he's plugging away but he's not setting the world on fire.

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 12:32pm

Teddy T

I see your point entirely, Five (may I call you Five?) but I think I'd be happy to give the man a few more years in which to embed himself even more and perhaps even have a hit.

His most recent album, 'A Piece Of What You Need', is a corker.*

*Fraser: you can have that for your download review page. No need to thank me...

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Andy Barrons | 2 November 2009 - 2:11pm

Of course you may, Andy

though I prefer, F-C.

I really hope Teddy does make it, as I liked that album too. I've seen him in concert twice, and other times when he's joined his mum and dad on stage, but I fear that a bit like his dad, he may well remain underrated forever.

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 2:15pm

Indeed

Five-Centres it is, my friend. Despite his pedigree and the undoubted help/editting that must occur even through osmosis from the parents he seems a true talent. I picked up a real pop sensibility from the likes of 'Things I Do' and 'In My Arms' on that album.

Time will tell so here's hoping.

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Andy Barrons | 2 November 2009 - 2:28pm

You forgot to mention

that Nick is also a bit of a wizz on guitar.

You're right about Teddy Thompson too.

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Carl Parker | 2 November 2009 - 12:51pm

I think calling his instrumental album

a 'tour de force' might have hinted that it didn't rely on his vocals.

(cheesy grin)

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Vulpes Vulpes | 2 November 2009 - 6:46pm

Family business

There's a problem with following in your parents footsteps, especially if they have already carved a successful career. You've always got them to live up to. Which can be impossible if they've been definitive in their field.

My dad always wanted me to go into his field, but he's been pretty successful, and within it, he's a name associated with what he does. I'd always be second and so deliberately went my own way.

I'd hate to be Sean Lennon, when dad was so so much of an icon....

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 12:43pm

I must confess I hadn't realised there was a

young Liberace out there. You have my sympathy, I can fully understand a desire NOT to spend your life trying to out-rhinestone Pops.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 2 November 2009 - 12:59pm

Ha ha ha

The thought of my dad decked out like Liberace has just made me do the proverbial LOL and splutter coffee all over my desk.

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 1:09pm

The house of Cash

The two names that sprang immediately to my mind were Carlene Carter and Rosanne Cash. Indeed June Carter-Cash falls fitted the bill herself. Perhaps its a country thing because there are two generations of Hank Williams offspring as well.
Of course the biggest of all would be Ron & Russell Mael who, as any fool will tell you are the offspring of Doris Day ;)

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JohnW | 2 November 2009 - 1:10pm

Matt Bellamy of Muse

Son of the Tornado's guitarist George.

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Fraser M | 2 November 2009 - 1:34pm

Get on.

Don't be daaft. We never gets tornadoes in De'm. S'far too moild.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 2 November 2009 - 6:49pm

Duncan Jones

son of David Bowie, although following a different artform to that of his father, has written and directed possibly the best film I have seen all year, "Moon."

Didn't trade on his dad's name. In fact, did everything he could to avoid the subject in interviews.

Now that's the way to do it.

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Futurenoir | 2 November 2009 - 1:34pm

Kirsty Maccoll

although her dad was folk rather than rock.

I guess rock is more about the ego and folk is more about the tradition and the storytelling than anything else. Makes it a lot easier to follow in the footsteps. Plus there's less of a problem about the generations mixing, so family members play music together, write and perform together.

Dunno if folk musicians success can be described in the same terms as rock success, but certainly the careers last for a much longer period of time.

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 1:53pm

Kirsty MacColl

Stuart Copeland
John Hammond
Hank III
Derek Trucks
Norah Jones

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bigsteviecook | 2 November 2009 - 1:59pm

I agree SimonL, It would seem easier for folk

and country singers to follow in footsteps, as it's almost expected, a family tradition.

But imagine you're the son of Bruce Springsteen or daughter of Madonna and you're mad on music. You don't really have a prayer...

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 2:03pm

In Madonna's case surely that should be

You don't really have like a prayer ... (or like whatever)...

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Steven C | 2 November 2009 - 3:42pm

Peter Perret of The Only Ones

has musician sons who have been in Babyshambles. Dunno what level of fame or success is involved there.

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SimonL | 2 November 2009 - 2:07pm

Albert Hammond Jr

OK so dad didn't exactly set the World alight. Mind you, neither did his son.

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lennylaw | 2 November 2009 - 2:23pm

Oliver Wakeman?

He's in Yes you know. I mean, what are the chances of that happening? Just saw the ad in the newsagent's window apparently.

The execrable Adam Cohen.

Did anyone mention Jakob Dylan / Wallflowers? He was probably outselling his dad at one point.

Dhani Harrison too is interesting, if not destined to top the HJH. But then who is?

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Steven C | 2 November 2009 - 3:38pm

I don't wish to be rude but...

...how do we know, "...it's not like they need the money..."? After the recent news about Carly Simon's woes and the loss Leonard Cohen suffered, it's a bit of a cliche to think that all rock stars are rolling in it and their progeny are pampered. Assuming they want to be, which isn't a given.

And when we talk about careers fizzling out, isn't that the fate of a large proportion of musicians? I think Mr. Hepworth has pointed out that most stars are either unimaginably rich or surprisingly hard up, with very few in the comfortable middle ground.

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Mark JF | 2 November 2009 - 4:25pm

You're not being rude

and yes you have a point, they're not all loaded, but they've probably not had much of a struggle either.

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 5:00pm

And a struggle is good because

....

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Edleaf | 2 November 2009 - 5:14pm

Unlike their parents, I mean

They probably had a bit of a struggle getting going. Their offspring will not have had that.

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Five-Centres | 2 November 2009 - 5:21pm

Ziggy Marley

Was never going to be as famous as his dad, but put out a few very good albums.

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Sam Fiddian | 2 November 2009 - 6:46pm

No slouch as a guitarist

Dweezil Zappa. Saw him in Newcastle with his brother Ahmet once.

Much better than one might have expected.

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illuminatus | 2 November 2009 - 9:36pm

Dweezil

is really good. And the Zappa Plays Zappa thing is excellent, very well put together, superb musicianship, methinks dad would have liked it.

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peterdasent | 3 November 2009 - 6:42am

To be fair

I expected him to be pretty bloody good. Even though he played pretty much all his own stuff, at the time (around 93-94) he had the likes of Terry Bozzio with him, so it was a bit like a dry run of ZpZ in that sense.

I wasn't wrong. He was great. I think Dad would've liked to trade chops.

[Better yet, a guitarist mate of ours really wanted to go to the gig with us. Unfortunately, his then girlfriend dragged him to Little Angels who were also in Newcastle that night. When we told him that Dweezil had done over 2 and half hours, boy was he sick.]

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illuminatus | 3 November 2009 - 11:50am

And from the other side of the world...

Liam Finn is doing OK

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peterdasent | 3 November 2009 - 6:43am

surely the very simple reason is............

.........if you grow up surrounded by performing musicians it's all likely - not guaranteed - to come a bit more easily to you than if you have to find your own scene. but i wish all of us out in consumerland wouldn't assume that talent=money. if only.

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Ill Bevans | 3 November 2009 - 1:54pm

This last point is very important!

I would vouchsafe that most people (in the street, I suppose) have not even heard of Richard Thompson, let alone Teddy. Same goes for Martin & Eliza Carthy and so on. Success isn't really about getting headlines or being described as 'the king/queen of pop' (what the hell does that mean then?). It is surely about being respected in your field and leaving a body of work which will be listened to in years to come. Like Michelle McManus and Leon Jackson obviously!

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Richard Raftery | 3 November 2009 - 8:51pm

Jason Bonham

- deemed the only man big enough to fill pop's boots

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Sheev | 3 November 2009 - 9:45pm

UB40

The Campbell bros' dad led the Ian Campbell Folk Group, whose alumni included Dave Swarbrick and Dave Pegg.

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embraman | 8 November 2009 - 10:28pm
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