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Are footballers now bigger stars than rock stars and film stars?
George Graham has just been on the radio commenting on the John Terry business and he said that when he was playing footballers ranked behind rock stars and film stars. Nowadays, he reckoned, footballers were, if anything, ahead of the latter two groups in earning power, in celebrity and in their ability to create headlines. What do you think? Is there a rock star who could stop traffic like, say, Wayne Rooney might if he was spotted in the middle of Manchester? Is there a rock star whose appearance in court could create as much fuss as, say, Steven Gerrard did with his nightclub altercation? Apart from Brangelina, is there a marriage between actors that is as speculated about as that between Ashley Cole and Chery Cole? Have football stars now ascended to a new level of fame, envy and notoriety? Are they the only people who don't hire PRs to keep their little local difficulties out of the papers and turn up at city centre night spots looking for fights rather than hiding away behind the red ropes of private clubs?
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It's hard to say
Living in a big city, seeing footballers in town is not an irregular occurance, whereas seeing a film star or rock star would be both rare and exciting. I genuinely don't think traffic would stop in Manchester for Wayne Rooney. It doesn't stop in Newcastle for Shearer / Gazza or Liverpool for Gerrard / Torres...etc
They don't have the international appeal
Not quite, mostly because "soccer" stars are a long way down the celebrity food chain in the US.
Thanks for that insight
"Soccer" (as the BBC and Grauniad often refer to it) has no star appeal in the US. Why that Beckham feller used to just walk around West Hollywood virtually unnoticed. And as for the missus, well...
Footballers PR's and the lawyers
Interesting point about footballers accessibility.
I'm a rugby man myself but applying a similar approach I can actually get up and fairly personal to the players on a weekly basis by just turning up at the ground. We dont get that sort of access to musicians and actors.
There are also just so many of them, I have no idea what the average squad size is in the premiership but if we worked on 30 thats 600 superstars some of whom are in small(ish) towns.
On a different point, and treading a careful line, JT certainly had his team of professionals. If I read between the lines of the judgement correctly he had in place one of the dreaded super injunctions to prevent his pecadillos becoming UK knowledge.
As an aside one of my mates got a text from Saudi on Tuesday tipping him off to the scandal so it was just us who didnt know.
Probably, yes
This is what happened when Barcelona arrived in Tenerife for a run-of-the-mill Spanish-league match a couple of weeks ago. This is the away team we're talking about, remember.
I can't imagine Brangelina getting upwards of 5,000 people to turn out in the hope of glimpsing them trundling a baggage trolley for thirty yards, and I doubt even Madonna sees scenes like this very often these days.
It depends on the country I guess
You often see scenes like that in Spain and Italy. In Turkey they even filled the airport to mob Harry Kewell!
Dare I suggest...
...that it is cheaper for tabloid newspapers to send a showbiz reporter to "Slaggers" in Romford to follow married footballers with no security guards rather than to the Sunset Strip?
Slaggers!
I want to go to Slaggers!
Good call ...
let's hear it for Denis!
There are a lot more footballers around, than Rock Stars
And trust me, half yearly Royalty statements, for all but a few, rarely equate to £10k a week in earnings, let alone £140k a week
There must be hundreds of footballers earning £10k a week or more
And in the days of Jordan, Big Brother and WAGS, lots of girls/young women want to be a bit rich and famous, and shacking up with a footballer is a route to achieving that
Proportion of Mystery to Stardom
This is a great point. I'm not sure that footballers are bigger stars than rock or movie stars necessarily. It's that we don't really know anything about footballers vs. other celebrities. The idea of being a movie star or a rock star has been devalued by TMZ and CBB. Once you've seen these celebrities doing anything other than what they're paid to, a little of the mystery rubs off. On the other hand, the very top tier of footballers that Heppers has in mind perform feats that we can't simply perform ourselves. Similarly, we can't really imagine what these taciturn men do in their private lives. Hence, they incur a greater deal of fascination.
There are more celebrities
now than ever before. You don't have to do anything other than behave like one it seems. There are more media outlets (tv stations, newspapers, magazines) than ever before and they need stuff to put in. Footballers have a discernible talent in a activity that many people enjoy. So they are a better class of celeb than someone who goes to parties for a living or sees a breast enlargement operation as a tax deductible career expense.
There are still very few celebrities that have a genuine global fame and there are some that are footballers - Beckham, Kaka, Ronaldo for instance. But most of the massive global celebs are still movie stars and rock stars.
Which is good - because it means I can say George Graham is wrong. Which is nice.
Footballers
I'm not sure that's true. Football is shown on TV globally, week in and week out, in a way that music and movies simply can't compete with, and there's no language barrier. I'm only going by my own experience, but from Mongolia to Nepal to Chile to China*, it seems that a lot people would struggle to identify, say, Bruce Springsteen or Cameron Diaz, but could tell you who plays in goal for Aston Villa or up front for Spurs. I met a guy on a train in Iran once who'd never heard of Madonna but spent the best part of the following two days reeling off the names of Premiership footballers. I'd be dozing in the middle of the day and he'd tug on my shirt and gleefully shout "Mark Bosnich! Henning Berg! Robbie Slater...". He knew barely any other English at all.
*But not in the US, obviously.
You want to stop the traffic anywhere in Africa?
You can either have Morgan Freeman, Jay Z or Didier Drogba.
or
Nelson Mandela or Barack Obama. Or the Queen now that I think of it.
or - if he was still alive
Kenny Rodgers
I think
factoring in the US does diminish the global reach of football celebrity. British football has a lot of coverage in Africa and the Middle East and is always a good conversation strand for common ground. But I don't think football stars are particularly revered in India or China. I also think that NBA star players are more likely to have a wider global presence than football players and people like Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, Tom Cruise and Harrison Ford maintain a level of celebrity for a long time. And we haven't even got on to politicians and business people (Barack Obama, Bill Gates & Steve Jobs) who probably have overtaken (or equalled) the movie and rock stars of old.
And wasn't Robbie Slater in Eastenders?
Football in Asia
Football is massive in China and India - it's why clubs like Barcelona and Man U get paid millions to travel to Beijing and Shanghai in the off-season, why tens of thousands will turn up to watch the teams train on the same trips, and why stalls on every street corner in Kolkata sell replica Liverpool shirts. Basketball has recently become huge business in China since the success of Yao Ming, and the fact that someone of the stature of Stephon Marbury has signed for a club in China rather than one in Spain or Greece suggests that the domestic game there has real money too.
But it's all about TV. Football gets huge exposure abroad (in many places you can watch ALL premiership games, not just the few that Sky and ESPN divvy up each weekend here). Basketball gets decent coverage too, but not to the same level. I've been in Seoul during a Manchester United game and it seemed that everyone was inside hoping to catch a glimpse of Ji-sung Park - but I wouldn't expect the man in the steeet to have heard of Steve Jobs. Where would they know him from? It's not like he's on TV every weekend...
Robbie Slater won a premier league winner's medal while he was at Blackburn.
Teams v Players
I do think that unless there is a player from a specific country in one of the big teams, then the general view of footballers in that particular country is still based upon the reputation (and history of success) of the teams. So Man U, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Inter are the global knowns. By dint of the coverage, the current crop of players will also be well known in those places but I think its a transient sort of fame rather than genuine celebrity - I doubt many of the fans will be interested in the comings and goings of their lives.
And the tours in these far off places are still a circus coming to town. If Paul Scholes went to Qatar on holiday, no one would care. But if Paul Scholes goes to Qatar as a member of the Man U squad, the airport and hotel is mobbed. If Tom Cruise went to Qatar on holiday, we would read about it (well, if we read that kind of mag or newspaper).
I'm surprised at what you say about India
I should be honest upfront and say my experience is limited to 2 weeks in Bangalore, but if that time was in any way indicative, then football is well down the pecking order compared to Bollywood and cricket.
I did see Premiership football on TV there, but it struggled to get a look in compared to the round the clock cricket coverage. Cab drivers and locals only had one question for me - did I know Freddie Flintoff? Indeed, his name seemed to be the only English phrase some knew. Football wasn't mentioned once. But as I say, a view based on just 1 trip to 1 location.
I'm off again later this month - I'll take a photo of John Terry and see what kind of response I get .....
Cricket
Cricket's at another level altogether - and the best known cricketers are almost certainly more famous there than the best known footballers are here. Tendulkar's likeness appears on everything, whereas you don't see John Terry endorsing much. But yeah, football is still big news. In common with many places, people will adopt a premiership side to support at the weekend and a national side to follow during the World Cup.
Not that this proves anything at all, but I took this picture on New Year's Eve: it's a sports goods store in Darjeeling.
I was in the equivalent of a poundstretcher
in Shanghai 3 years ago, where - amongst other popular Premiership based products - was a full sized mirror etched with the image of David Beckham in girly blonde phase.
It's the WAG thing
The media have become far more interested since the advent of the Beckhams or the Redknapps or any other wife or girlfriend you can mention.
Now they're seen as glamorous couples on a par with film stars. It would seem their private lives, whether as a couple or individually are so colourful that they have everyone fascinated, wondering which direction this soap opera is going in next.
Movie Stars are still
top of the tree. Despite earning lots of cash, football players and WAGS occupy the world of soap stars. They are one of us; civilians who got lucky. Meanwhile someone like Tom Cruise is from another planet (and, in his case, Tom believes that too). Being projected as 30 foot images does that to people. They may be less known here, but Bollywood stars have the same effect in most Asian and N African countries. That said a PA by Amitabh Bachchan would literally stop the traffic in most UK cities...
There might be quite a few famous footballers
but very few of seem interesting or intriguing in the way that many rock and movie stars are. There's no "there" there. I've just finished Peter Biskind's "Star", the biography of Warren Beatty. I can't imagine anything similar being written about a footballer.
But most rock stars and movie stars...
are neither interesting nor intriguing. They just like to think that they are.
It's true that they often have an exaggerated
sense of their own fabulousness, but both groups get to travel, meet other interesting people (even among the civilians), learn interesting skills (especially actors) and have plenty of downtime to fill, compared with stars in other fields (business, politics etc). So they can live rich lives. With very few exceptions, sportsmen and, in particular, footballers seem to be a dull, unimaginative and deeply conformist lot (see below).
Paul McCartney
Macca can still draw a crowd wherever he goes, and he takes time to indulge the public. And he doesn't score many own goals!
He scored one
on X Factor.
The majority of professional footballers
appear to have simply conglomerated into one big stereotype; very rarely will you see one with any significant personality- especially amongst the younger ones. In 'Four Four Two' their 'The Boys a Bit Special' feature usually has the following questions and answers: Favourite music? R&B; Favourite woman? Megan Fox? Car? Porsche Turbo XXX Speedshagger; What will you be doing in five years time? Hopefully playing for England (or in the Premiership if they're in one of the lower divisions).
For every footballer who likes to spunk his cash up the wall on fast cars, fast women and fast food there are the ones who manage to stay out of the limelight despite being amongst the best in the country. Jamie Carragher, Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs are just three who manage to avoid being in the public eye besides on the back-pages; and I think they're appreciated all the more for it.
When I were a lad
the answer was always Rod Stewart. Then it progressed to Luther Vandross. That was in Shoot.
Crime novelists are more famous than the lot.
While visiting a Belgian old folks' home recently, talk turned to football, and not one of those I met had heard of Beckham, Rooney and their ilk.
Every single one, however, knew of Georges Simenon, the creator of Maigret.