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Anyone else seen this?

humphreym's picture

I was just reading a blog on the Guardian site that mentioned a new music site called musoc.org. It's a site that seems to want to save Classical music from becoming popular (I could be wrong!), so I clicked on the link and what a read! the FAQ section on pop music is brilliant, http://www.musoc.org/faq.htm. It seems to take itself far too seriously, and looks like it was written by someone in their first year of a music degree (for the first few months of mine I corrected anyone who called it Classical music, the correct term was Western Art Music! I stopped when I realised what a knob I was, and before I got beaten up by mates!), or by someone who was dumped by their other half for a rock musician! I know I shouldn't get annoyed by this stuff, but I haven't had my coffee yet!

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A random quote...

"There are of course many definitions of 'art', and, given the inherent subjectivity and limitless debatability of aesthetics, a definition of Art Music that doesn't depend on agreement over such an inscrutable subject makes life and argumentation simpler."

Oh do f**k off. That site is pillock central.

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Patrick Crowther | 8 July 2009 - 10:18am

Tee hee

and as we walk away you can still hear him ranting away in his splendid isolation correcting the nice woman who just brought him his coffee "this isn't a biscotti..."

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Chris G | 8 July 2009 - 10:26am

If the Guardian...

replies are anything to go by, they'll be over here in a while to give out to us!

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humphreym | 8 July 2009 - 10:29am

I just had a thought...

is there any mention of one P. Morley on that site? Reads like his handiwork to me.

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Patrick Crowther | 8 July 2009 - 10:32am

but P. Morley

Loves pop music he wrote an entire book that proved that Kylie invented the western world or something

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Chris G | 8 July 2009 - 10:34am

Good point...

I momentarily forgot that. I was simply equating the level of pretentious waffle on that site with his unforgettable style of writing.

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Patrick Crowther | 8 July 2009 - 10:40am

Absolutely Brilliant!

Top quality, entirely pointless cultural elitism.

"[Pop] is performed by people who... can barely sing or play an instrument. Charlatanism, affectation, contrivance, banality and conventionality are all typical features... The songs themselves... are nearly always expressions of juvenile sentimentality, posturing or narcissism' - that sounds alright to me.

If they come round here spoiling for a fight, we can bamboozle them with talk of arcane prog, obscurist indie, primordial rock'n'roll and unashamed heavy metal (amongst many, many others). That should show them who's boss.

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Andrew Rowan | 8 July 2009 - 10:40am

That's what I thought

all of the above is why pop is the best as far as I can see.

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Chris G | 8 July 2009 - 10:57am

But...

Ah! But one of the riders is that "In fact, 'visuals' (appearance, image, antics, venues) are generally more important than content". Does that mean that prog & obscurist indie remain outside the "Pop" category?
Or is he just an idiot?

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JohnW | 8 July 2009 - 1:30pm

He's not just any idiot...

... he's a windy Art Music idiot.

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Andrew Rowan | 8 July 2009 - 1:58pm

Not forgetting 'unrepentant doo-wop'

(it'll be next year's thing y'know)

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stimpy | 8 July 2009 - 6:25pm

A wind up?

Surely not for real. I think someone has created it as an idiot magnet.

If Robert Johnson doesn't qualify as art music, then they have it wrong anyway. In my opinion.

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Andrew Bradley | 8 July 2009 - 11:05am

you could be right

but anything that needs a prefix is always doomed, art music, perfect pop, intelligent drum and bass, jazz funk, jazz rock, prog rock, alt country.....

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Chris G | 8 July 2009 - 11:16am

I'm thinking it has...

to be a wind up as well!

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humphreym | 8 July 2009 - 12:09pm

got to hand it to them

this is a masterclass in "Charlatanism, affectation, contrivance, banality ".

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spinoza013 | 8 July 2009 - 11:31am

I knew it

- they are talking about Bob Dylan

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Sheev | 8 July 2009 - 6:45pm

Now THAT'S a Word t-shirt that I'd buy!

"The Word - charlatanism, affectation, contrivance, banality"

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stimpy | 8 July 2009 - 8:43pm

on the back ?

"juvenile sentimentality, posturing and narcissism"

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Chris G | 8 July 2009 - 8:50pm

Not, I fear, a wind-up

No-one who's that clever or funny has the spare time to come up with someting like this. I think we should take he (for it can only be a he) who is responsible and invite him to partake in a rational and intelligent debate on the matters he holds so dear. Then we should drag him outside and give him the righteous kicking he so obviously deserves. The ponce. Bet he looks like Malcom Gladwell.

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Lenny Law | 8 July 2009 - 12:36pm

Bill Drummond

what's he been up to lately?

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spinoza013 | 8 July 2009 - 12:53pm

Oh good call!

This does have the whiff of Drummond about it. The man who showed his contempt for art and pop now turns his eye upon classical music. And he's got a bit of spare time on his hands. And a very cool overcoat.

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Lenny Law | 8 July 2009 - 10:34pm

I feel sorry for

complete Twats like that...must be a full time job being so superior, disappointed yet ridiculed all your life.

I should know :)

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spinoza013 | 8 July 2009 - 2:04pm

I showed...

the website to a friend of mine who's a classical violinist (sorry, 'Art' violinist!) and she could read more than a paragraph before she started getting really annoyed!

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humphreym | 8 July 2009 - 6:31pm

Oh dear

That is awful, but I suppose it's that person's right to set up a web site and a mailing list if they want to. I'm not sure that the owner realises that the increased web traffic is more like people slowing to look at a car crash than people who actually agree with him/her.

The whole thing reminded me of the Radio 3 bits that Dead Ringers used to do; "BBC Radio 3. Quiet isn't it. The time is just coming up to... oh, who cares. Let's all have a biscuit and listen to some Schubert."

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Dr Yang | 9 July 2009 - 12:30pm

Excellent line!...

"Let's all have a biscuit and listen to some Schubert."

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humphreym | 9 July 2009 - 6:10pm

Can I have a biscuit

and listen to Southside Johnny instead please?

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Sheev | 9 July 2009 - 10:33pm

I think

The questions posed & answered came from the same pen.Two minds,but one pen.Hilarious.

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bricameron | 9 July 2009 - 10:59pm

Has this site been founded by Robert Robinson?

It reminds me of the utter disdain with which RR used to greet an answer to a question about "popular" music on Brain Of Britain.
Unfortunately the contestants seemed duty bound to align themselves with RR. If asked to identify who was singing a song about the only acceptable answer was the Beatles, as the Hey Jude Hitmakers had actually permeated the fabric of rarified knowledge required of BoB contestants.
That would be the answer if the artist was anyone from Bob Dylan to Led Zeppelin. Otherwise the only acceptable answer was "I don't know".
Cue an RR complaint about being deafened by the cacophony.

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Carl Parker | 9 July 2009 - 11:01pm

It is Paul Morley!!

from a email from Observer Music Monthly
" OMM's critic-at-large Paul Morley writes about putting away pop music and studying classical music and composition at the Royal Academy of Music for a year"

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Chris G | 10 July 2009 - 2:35pm

Can a man be more Grey?

can't abide him

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spinoza013 | 10 July 2009 - 3:19pm

There's no Way

this could be Paul Morley.The man's too much in love with Pop Music.He's definitely one of my favourite Music journalists.Always insightful & thoughtful.

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bricameron | 10 July 2009 - 5:09pm
spinoza013 | 10 July 2009 - 5:39pm

'Music doesnt have to be very

sophisticated to be more challenging than most pop 'music'.
Who does this condescending twat think he is? Sounds like he needs his head removing from his arse.

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Steve Turner | 10 July 2009 - 5:39pm
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