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Anybody using an iPad for anything interesting?

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ImageYou'll be relieved to hear I finally got myself an iPad.

Obviously, it's a very compelling toy. Feels to me like it's a downstairs machine, which takes a lot of the things you use your computer for and moves them into parts of the house where those services haven't been easily available before - on the side in the kitchen, on the sofa in front of the TV and on to public transport being just three. After dinner last night we sat there and watched that clip of a trolley car going down Market Street in San Francisco in 1905. I can see it dramatically increasing the amount of "hey, look at this" viewing on the web.

Most of the free apps I've downloaded I've deleted almost as quickly. I don't do games and I don't know how often I'll want to look at catwalk footage. I've installed a bunch of things that I use a lot on the iPhone, including Instapaper (which allows you to mark long reads on web sites and have them to read on your hand-held device), Simplenote (you can make a note on your phone and it will sync with the notes on your computer) and Dropbox (drag a file into it and you can look at it at home).

Things like the BBC News, TV Guide and IMDB apps are as simple and useful as you'd expect. The magazine apps I've looked at so far (Popular Science and Wired being just two) don't seem to have worked out whether they expect people to stand back and be dazzled or to get up close and read - and they take an infernally long time to download. However, I have been pleasantly surprised by how easy I've found it to read quite long items on the screen and have started to toy with various news readers.

I'm interested. Has anyone else taken a tablet and found it making changes to their digital behaviour?

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iPad version of Word?

any plans for a subscriber iPad version of Word? I'd swap my subscription to iPad from paper if given option.

you need flash to view the online version which is not iPad friendly.

I mostly use mine for browsing web and emails when watching tv.
Use Osfoora as my Twitter App.

Can't be used as an e-reader outside as screen too reflective.

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Cunny71 | 2 September 2010 - 6:57am

It's certainly something we are looking at

That's one of the reasons we're interested in what people already do. In these early days there's a tendency to make assumptions which may not be borne out by experience. Does anyone use theirs for reading and if so how?

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David Hepworth | 2 September 2010 - 7:07am

Reading on the iPad

I use the Zinio magazine reader for Rolling Stone, Esquire (US), Spin and Stereophile. I have print subscriptions for all the first two but very well may let those subscriptions lapse and continue digitally.
What I am finding is that I am skimming the magazines once they drop in to the reader and when the print edition arrives, certainly with Rolling Stone because it never arrives until after the digital edition, either not reading it after taking the plastic wrapper off or for the last two issues leaving it wrapped. The next step is throwing the buggers out to recycle.
I do like the Kindle App and iBooks plus Sports Illustrated though some will gripe at the cost it's still cheaper than subscribing to the print edition.

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robtodd | 25 September 2010 - 10:28am

I use mine as a very

I use mine as a very portable portfolio and for reading comics and books. Tried a couple of magazines via Zinio, but a little too small to read comfortably.

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Sean Phillips | 2 September 2010 - 7:16am

and your work

looks great on an iPhone can only imagine what it looks like on a bigger screen.

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badartdog | 2 September 2010 - 9:05am

US sized comics look great

US sized comics look great on an ipad. Slightly smaller than the print version, but still very readable. The Marvel, DC and Boom apps all have free issues to download.

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Sean Phillips | 2 September 2010 - 9:31am

Reading, but not for pleasure

I still find backlit displays uncomfortable for prolonged reading for pleasure, so would never read novels or magazines on my iPad - I live in hope that they'll eventually ditch this type of display and switch to a non-backlit full-colour equivalent of the passive "liquid paper" displays used by the likes of Kindle (whose main downside is it's monochromatic). On the other hand, reference books come into their own on the iPad in many respects e.g. searchability, which beats ANY indexing system hands-down. On the third hand, the inability to annotate and highlight reference works limits the wonderfulness. But it's undeniably great to be able to carry around an entire technical reference library with me, wherever I go (with a magazine and a book or two tucked alongside it in my briefcase!).

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Paul Vincent | 2 September 2010 - 7:34am

Work and Play

I've found I'm actually using it a lot.

I use for work for doing both emails (when in a meeting / away from my desk etc) and taking notes of day to day stuff, I have now gotten into the mode of not using my paper diary at all now (environmentally friendly as well !) and use an app called Daily Notes to jot down day to day stuff and Penultimate to scribble fast notes when I'm on a call etc. I also have a pogoplug enabled hard drive that stores and shares virtually all the documents I may ever need, which can be accessed instantly via the free pogoplug iPad application - great for suddenly pulling up info when in a meeting......

At home I tend to use mainly for browsing the web when sat on the sofa - when I can keep it out of the hands of the kids playing Plants vs Zombies !

As a technology demo, the Elements app which shows the periodic table in all its detail is wonderful - can't really say that I need such info, but its nice.. I'm sure my kids will use it for study when they are a little older. Similarly with the Star Walk app which gives you the night sky "live" when you point the iPad at it.

I have a couple of magazines in pdf format on there and find that I tend to read those more than the print version. I find books easy to read on the iPad and can see that growing to be a major usage - just at the moment some of the books I want are not available......

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chrisf | 2 September 2010 - 7:41am

Music, work, reading and video.

I do love my iPad, but as it's a work machine I have to honestly ask if I would have dropped £700 on it out of my own pocket. Answer: probably not. I might have gone with the bottom o't'range one, though.

However, I use it a lot for work: it has a very creditable cut-down version of iWork which I take with me everywhere (Keynote in particular is useful if you have the iPad-to-VGA screen adapter, because you can run it straight into a projector).

I use Print and Share a lot, which is great for hooking up to almost any printer on a wireless network to which you're connected.

Similarly, I use ReaddleDocs to access work on my cloud server and the WebDav server in the office (in other words, I can get to my "My Documents" through it). Works very seamlessly so far.

I'm investigating using LogMeIn as well, as a few colleagues have been doing. They swear by it.

On the reading side, I'm using Kindle and iBooks in tandem and loving both. I marginally prefer the reading experience of Kindle - a bit more flexible and minus the irritating page-turn animation - but the iBooks store is much more integrated.

Video is lovely - I'm cramming iPlayer content onto it and keeping up with excellent telly on the commute into town.

As a way of entertaining the kids on long public transport journeys, it's a godsend. I stick a headphone splitter in and fire up Peppa Pig, and bob's yer father's brother. They know how to work it as well as I do now (4 and 2), so it's also teaching them a bit about using ICT as well, I suppose (teacher hat on).

For music, I adore Korg's iELECTRIBE, which is a pretty full featured port of their lovely drum machine onto the iPad. It sounds indistinguishable from the real thing to these ears. I'm actually making some songs with it. Quite rare to find a gadget like this that's musically useful.

I suppose that's about it, apart obviously from web and email. I would love to see an iWord, though. Hint.

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Bob | 2 September 2010 - 8:17am

I was forgetting...

...the HD version of Angry Birds, which is worth the £700 for the machine all on its own.

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Bob | 2 September 2010 - 8:19am

Wait

There's an HD version of Angry Birds? Why did no-one tell me this?!

*rushes to Amazon to place order*

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Joe R | 2 September 2010 - 8:42am

.... and don't forget

.. the HD version of Plants vs Zombies which makes it even more worthwhile

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chrisf | 2 September 2010 - 8:44am

How...

...are you getting decent quality stuff from iPlayer onto your iPad ? I've tried IPDL but, although it works really well for audio, the quality for video is almost un-watchable.

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ainsley009 | 9 September 2010 - 12:47pm

iPlayer Grabber

I like it a lot - the quality isn't as good as downloads, but it's definitely very watchable.

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Bob | 9 September 2010 - 5:57pm

Can you download iPlayer

Can you download iPlayer content on the iPad to watch offline?

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jwfrancis | 10 September 2010 - 6:54pm
stimpy | 10 September 2010 - 7:17pm

I'll be honest (speaking as a long-term Apple fanboi)

I've found it a bit pointless. It's a great bit of technology and has a few things that make you go "Ooooo" the first few times you use them but I can't find anything significant that my MacBook can't already do.

In fact, there's plenty of stuff the iPad can't do - Applescript, connect to an OSX server, multiple user accounts, run 'proper' OSX software, etc etc.

Personally, I'm not interested it using it as an eBook reader; that just doesn't appeal.

So, mine is already just being used as an ad hoc Internet browsing device on the sofa.

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stimpy | 2 September 2010 - 7:48am

^this...

is exactly why I haven't got one. Yet.

I'm sure I will, eventually - and, like you say, it'll end up sitting on the sofa - but I really want is a truly portable Mac, something I can run Photoshop, Filezilla, MAMP, Audacity etc on. Netbooks are selling like hotcakes: why don't Apple make an equivalent?

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Fraser Lewry | 2 September 2010 - 7:55am

Although

I think using Photoshop on a touchscreen device (designed for fingers) would be pretty awful.

OS X runs quite well on a netbook I believe. There are several websites that explain how you can install it.

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Brookster | 2 September 2010 - 8:30am

Kind of

I ran OS X on mine for a short while, but found it extremely buggy and not worth persevering with.

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Fraser Lewry | 2 September 2010 - 9:01am

Apple and Netbooks

I think the Apple approach of selling an premium integrated device with most of the hardware elements built in seems to jar with the netbook ethos of stripping out stuff to improve cost, size, weight and battery life. Apple mobile devices are premium products and netbooks aren't.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 8:51am

Then

Maybe they should make a premium netbook. I can't be the only one who wants one.

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Fraser Lewry | 2 September 2010 - 9:02am

Isn't that

the Macbook Air.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 9:06am

Too

Big

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Fraser Lewry | 2 September 2010 - 9:15am

Or put another way

If they made an Apple netbook, they couldn't justify their usual hefty mark-up

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Brookster | 2 September 2010 - 9:03am

I'd buy an 'iPad Pro' like a shot

Same (OK, similar, it needs USB and a decent audio out) form factor as iPad, 12" touchscreen, same UI but fully functional OSX.

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stimpy | 2 September 2010 - 9:10am

Browsing & Reading

Browsing & reading mags mainly. Doesn't replace my ereader for books, but I'm finding it perfect for browsing the web, and reading magazines and news articles. The Wired app is excellent. Found that through Zinio the Uk magazines have priced themselves out of the market, but have taken out yearly subs to Rolling Stone and US Macworld for £13 each.

I'm buying less physical mags, including Word, as a result. Would subscribe to Word in an instant as long as it was reasonably priced.(£2.50 per issue max).

That plus Newsrack for my rss reader. I don't miss flash as I rarely use flash sites.

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Mark Bagnall | 2 September 2010 - 8:10am

saw someone reading on one ALL day

at latitude feel he may need to think about his life choices. That a side "the downstairs" use you describe seems perfect from how I know myself and friends increasingly use laptops ie for tweeting looking stuff up, showing photos if you can controlthe stream of Iplayer or music to a bigger screen from it seems very useable. Not sure about outside the home think laptops more robust and better for typing and spreadsheets etc.

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Chris G | 2 September 2010 - 8:16am

I've stumbled into another world

with it's own language, that kinda sounds like english but makes no sense to me.

Can it make a good cup of tea?

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Beany | 2 September 2010 - 8:33am

sadly I believe they don't

have a usb port, so no tea making would be tricky :)
http://www.therandomshop.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products...

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Chris G | 2 September 2010 - 8:41am

I'm waiting on a Kindle

At £109 for a reading device it is priced sensibly and the reviews on the screen and speed seem to suggest its the most book like reading experience.

The iPad is a great looking bit of kit but I don't feel that it is complete yet. It should have an SD card port (or similar) to enable easy media/file transfer. It needs to be £100 - 150 cheaper. And they need to finish of the OS to make sure that printing and file sharing works out of the box.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 8:40am

Had my Kindle a week(ish) now and loving it.

Was on the train to that there London today and it filled the journey both ways more than adequately.

After one charge, and a week's use, the battery indicator has barely moved.

When I got to our London office I pulled it out (fnar fnar) to show a colleague - within ten seconds every single male on the floor was hovering, keen for a look and a quick play.

I'd rather have an iPhone and a Kindle than an iPad. Although I know full well I shall also buy an iPad at some stage. Because that's what I do.

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Paul Waring | 2 September 2010 - 6:25pm

Only ordered mine on the 25th August

and am nearly checking daily to see when I will get a delivery date. I like the look of it and it should remove the pile of paperbacks next to my bed that Mrs LB gets cross about.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 10:16pm

Leedsboy says - "The iPad is

Leedsboy says - "The iPad is a great looking bit of kit but I don't feel that it is complete yet. It should have an SD card port (or similar) to enable easy media/file transfer. It needs to be £100 - 150 cheaper. And they need to finish of the OS to make sure that printing and file sharing works out of the box"

Yes I agree completely with this comment. Been to the Apple store to play with them, and sure they are fun alright - there are a few design and graphics card updates that need to take place before its really the device that Apple are envisioning. To make a little more readily affordable, and therefore accessible on a wider basis will also help.

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Marky | 7 September 2010 - 2:44pm

But, as 'version 1.0' products go

it's a pretty bloody good first attempt.

I'm not sure the lack of a Finder is a good idea though. Whilst it's a neat idea to link documents to a specific application, I can see that once you have a large amount of documents it might be useful to manually move documents around within folders.

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stimpy | 7 September 2010 - 3:07pm

it may be the first iPad but

it may be the first iPad but its not much more (less in places) than a big gen 3 iPhone.
I understand why Apple like to ringfence the applications and data but it is annoying, and one of the reasons that I am more likely to end up with an Android version (I'm certainly glad I went for an Android phone rather than an iphone - its so much more flexible). Having said that I would guess that 75% of iPhone owners are unaware of the restriction and are never likely run into it.

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JohnW | 7 September 2010 - 6:11pm

That's exactly why I wouldn't buy an Android phone

or a Windows computer - I think having one company controlling the entire 'environment' makes for a much more stable and secure system (be it a phone, tablet or computer).

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stimpy | 7 September 2010 - 6:32pm

Jobs said...

...last week that wireless printing is in the iOS 4.2 version coming to iPads in November.

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ainsley009 | 9 September 2010 - 12:53pm

I'll warn my wallet

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Leedsboy | 9 September 2010 - 1:04pm

Am I correct in thinking that

if I take the plunge and buy one next week (while in the US) I'll be able to upgrade to IOS 4.2 as and when it comes out?

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fortuneight | 9 September 2010 - 1:24pm

Yup.

iOS upgrades are handled through iTunes just like regular app upgrades.

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stimpy | 9 September 2010 - 1:35pm

Saw one on the train the other day

Being used to play solitaire for a 3 hour journey. Owner of said IPad had a smartphone next to it that would have done the trick probably, and a laptop in it's case.

Seemed kind of pointless...

Can't speak for the IPad, but I've recently had computer problems so my only link to the online world was my Sony X10 smartphone. And even though my computer is fixed now, I've yet to go back to it like I used it before. I surf on the phone, read books (thanks to the Kindle app) and even write my blog. It has an amazing camera on it, and having that in the same digital location as my online world is a fantastic experience.

I only really go onto my comp to move files around these days. What I want is a slightly larger version of my phone so that reading is an easier on the eye experience, but that digital mixing and matching in one device is something I'm not likely to go backwards on now.

Does the IPad give me all the choices I've just detailed, including an amazing camera?

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SimonL | 2 September 2010 - 8:58am

yup

Everything you mention is in there apart from the camera.

I don't know how putting a camera on a large device like an ipad would be a sensible idea. I thought a similar thing when they stuck a video player on the tiny ipod screen. But they did it anyway, regardless of logic. So it may happen.

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Marky | 7 September 2010 - 2:51pm

In any case...

...I have an app for the iPad which uses my iPhone as a bluetooth camera, so if I really wanted to take pictures directly onto my iPad, I've still got the option.

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Bob | 7 September 2010 - 3:09pm

Do you do it though

other than to prove that you can? How many arms do you need to do it?

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Leedsboy | 7 September 2010 - 3:29pm

Nah.

It's daft. I hardly use it - the iPad doesn't need a camera, IMO. But it CAN have one if you want it to.

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Bob | 7 September 2010 - 3:57pm

But you could take a photo

of someone holding the iPad, screen facing the iPhone showing the image of the iPhone on the iPad screen. Would be like a tech homage to the Bohemian Rhapsody video.

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Leedsboy | 7 September 2010 - 4:05pm

Cameras

I hate all cameras. They are everywhere. People standing in the middle of Oxford street using their bloody cameras. In clubs and bars people using their cameras. People on the bus using their cameras. Its only my considerable consideration and politeness … that prevents me from telling people "If you point your fucking camera anywhere near me you can pay for it, you invasive little jerk. If you want to continue to invade my space, modeling fee is £700". Its a personal thing.

Desperately tried a few years ago to buy a mobile phone WITHOUT a camera - no luck.

I'm waiting for the time when the novelty value of snapping every trace of barbecue sauce that runs down your mates shirt in McDonalds wears off. Here's hoping.

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Marky | 7 September 2010 - 5:09pm

Work, rest and play

I went for the range-topping, all-singing, all-dancing iPad, having learned my lesson after getting the iPhone 3G with 8GB (so I had to constantly update the playlist to add the last music I'd purchased).

I justified to myself (and my wife) by saying it was for work, but in all fairness, I have used it a lot for that. I'm a journalist and I travel a couple of times a month for work, so the iPad is much lighter than my MacBook Pro for lugging around. It also starts up quicker (useful on short-haul flights when you have a limited time when the seatbelt light is off) and I can use it to watch films/TV, play games or listen to music. While away I can also pick up email, etc, and on my flight back, I can also use iWork to start writing up my features.

I've also just discovered a great app called Soundpaper, that allows you to take notes when interviewing someone and record the interview while you're doing it, so you don't miss anything. Absolutely superb for a journalist, student, or anyone who wants a verbatim record of a meeting.

I also use it as a 'downstairs' computer for emailing, tweeting, Facebooking and surfing while watching TV. It's very handy if you want to buy tickets, CDs, books, etc online while they're fresh in your mind.

Is it vital to one's life? Probably not, but it's the laptop's death knell, I reckon, and what we'll all be using within a decade. And it's only going to get better when iOS 4.2 arrives in November (streaming films to your TV?) and apps continue to be developed.

We're looking at the future, people.

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craigthomas1 | 2 September 2010 - 9:07am

No we're not

Is it vital to one's life? Probably not, but it's the laptop's death knell, I reckon, and what we'll all be using within a decade. And it's only going to get better when iOS 4.2 arrives in November (streaming films to your TV?) and apps continue to be developed.

We're looking at the future, people.

The iPad will no doubt take a huge chunk out of netbook sales, but the iPad and the laptop serve two completely different purposes.

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Brookster | 2 September 2010 - 10:17am

Oh, yes we are

Yes, at the moment, the laptop can do some things an iPad can't, but when we store everything on a cloud rather than a hard drive on our own machine, and when the iPad has been developed to inputs such as a USB port, we will be using touchscreen devices such as the iPad (and the competitors running other operating systems).

As I said, it will be a decade before we get to this point, but it's going to happen. Prices will come down, and there will be cheaper Windows versions, but there's potentially nothing that a laptop does that something like the iPad can't. We're still in the early days of this technology, but the potential is already there to see.

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craigthomas1 | 2 September 2010 - 10:28am

The elephant in the room

for the iPad to REALLY come into its own as a multi-media entertainment device, streaming from The Cloud, is the lack of availability EVERYWHERE of full wi-fi access. Correct me - I may be completely wrong - but I don't think 3G has the necessary speed for video streaming (I think it tops out around 64Kbps). When (if?) we reach the point where wi-fi access is as ubiquitous as 3G, then we'll truly live in the age of the Cloud-based mobile device.

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Paul Vincent | 2 September 2010 - 10:36am

3G video

YouTube and the BBC World News app, for example, work fine most of the time via 3G on my iPhone, although I'm not sure 3G could handle the iPad's (presumably) higher resolution for the bigger screen.

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Archie Valparaiso | 2 September 2010 - 6:28pm

Correct, I think...

I think the key to YouTube / BBC World News working fine as streaming video on an iPhone is, indeed, the smaller screen size coupled with a lower resolution. Actually, an alternative to more-ubiquitous wi-fi would be a Broadband version of 3G. If 3G's ceiling could increase from 64Kbps to, say 1Mbps, that would open the door to 3G full-screen streaming at higher resolution for iPads. Not that fanciful a notion either, looking at the way broadband speeds have increased over the last few years.

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Paul Vincent | 3 September 2010 - 8:56am

4G is being rolled out in the far-east

It's like 3G but, er, one better :-)

Much higher throughput apparently:

"A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions"

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stimpy | 3 September 2010 - 9:39am

Er, yes...

...that would do it. Just about.

Blimey!

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Paul Vincent | 3 September 2010 - 10:38am

Depends on what you use it for, surely?

The iPad doesn't do anything I want it to, while it looks like it does everything you need. That's more a reflection of your use than it is the nature of the product.

You're absolutely right that the future will bring the two closer together but, as Brookster says, at the moment they're two different products, serving different purposes. Or not. Depending on your use.

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Fraser Lewry | 2 September 2010 - 10:37am

It doesn't do anything I need (that a MacBook can't)

but it's SUCH a lovely 'object'. THAT'S the frustrating thing. I *want* it to be more useful to me than it is :-)

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stimpy | 2 September 2010 - 10:48am

What might be the future of the laptop

Is a touchscreen device with a detachable keyboard, powered by an OS that could switch between a mouse/trackpad interface and a touch interface, depending on what you wanted to do with it.

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Brookster | 2 September 2010 - 11:16am
stimpy | 2 September 2010 - 11:33am

But that's not really my point

The clever thing that Apple did, when putting the original iPhone together, was writing an entirely new user interface optimized for touch, rather than trying to shoehorn OS X onto it. And that decision is paying dividends further down the line. However, no one is suggesting that MacBooks should be running iOS.

Microsoft on the other hand, thinks Windows 7 can power orthodox computers and touch-based devices. However, this is going to be an unsatisfying experience for users of Windows tablets; Windows 7 is based on a conventional keyboard and pointing device. They would be better off modifying Windows Phone 7.

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Brookster | 2 September 2010 - 11:56am

Disagree quite a lot there.

I've used 3 generations of Windows tablets on XP, Vista and Win7, and really liked them, particularly because of OneNote. There are iPhone and iPad equivalents of this.
Haven't tried touch on Windows yet, only the pen-based UI. My only complaint was the lack of devices (market didn't take off), but that looks like it's about to change big time.

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Harold Holt | 8 September 2010 - 9:27am

Its all OSX

In fact the Iphone uses a version of OS X anyway. This is a version they now call iOS, but it uses mac OSX as its basis. This was announced on the first Iphone launch.

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Marky | 9 September 2010 - 11:38am

To be strictly accurate, it's all Darwin

OSX and iOS share a common core but Apple had the good sense to build a new Cocoa UI on top of the Darwin core rather than try to port the Aqua UI.

OSX is Darwin + Aqua
iOS is Darwin + Cocoa Touch

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stimpy | 9 September 2010 - 12:13pm

Cloud

makes the device less specific. You can use a thin client device, a phone, a laptop or a desktop. You will probably use whichever is appropriate to the task. So for me, an iPad will work for email and presentations quite well. When I'm writing a contract, an iPad would be a complete pain in the arse. When I'm reviewing documents, the iPad would be quite useful. When I'm amending them, less so.

The iPad interface is a thing of beauty for a number of applications. However, there are so many applications used in large companies that just won't work on a touchscreen device of that size that people would still end up packing a laptop as well. And don't forget, you can get a decent spec, corporate suitable laptop for much less than a basic iPad.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 11:28am

Not convinced

People at work who have them seem to spend most of the time frowning at the greasy finger print covered screen whilst I jot notes into a notebook. Doubtless a good toy and obvious pose value (if you're impressed with that kind of thing) but beyond some of the specialist apps discussed here I wonder why you would want to spend that much money on one. I spend enough time staring at a screen quite honestly.

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Twangothan | 2 September 2010 - 9:31am

Temptation

I'm really tempted by the iPad, not because I have any use for it, but because it seems to be one of the clearest indications so far that we are living in the future.

A hand-held tablet with a big interactive screen that has countless functions is the stuff of science fiction, and to own one would be to inhabit a little corner of that world. Now all we need is silvery clothing with fins on the shoulders and hover cars with bubble windscreens.

One thing, though - it is not environmentally friendly. Assuming that the iPad doesn't run off in-built solar panels, you will have to charge it now and again. This uses electricity which, on the whole, is generated from smelly old coal-fired power stations.

A book may be made of trees, but a book can be pulped and recycled, and is not constructed of highly specialised materials, some of which are manufactured using environmentally-destructive processes, not to mention the whole coltan issue.

Embrace the iPad and its like because it represents the gleaming horizon of our science fiction fantasies, but please don't think that it's saving the planet from filthy paper. Please feel free to prove me wrong on this, though - as it would move me a step closer to getting my mitts on one.

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Con Coleman | 2 September 2010 - 9:41am

Nope

Paper will be with us for along time yet. Try photocopying or scanning an iPad screen :-)

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stimpy | 2 September 2010 - 9:50am

Don't wish to be clever but

pressing the Home button & the On/Off button together produces a very nice picture of whatever is currently on the screen.

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grac | 2 September 2010 - 7:02pm

Spoilsport :-)

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stimpy | 3 September 2010 - 7:49am

Books

need big, smelly lorries to deliver them. And collect them for recycling. Everything has a footprint.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 9:51am

Anybody who worries about the environmental....

....aspects of reading magazines should do one simple thing.

Subscribe.

Magazine publishers have to waste fortunes on unsold copies which enter the supply chain and never come back. If we want to reach one reader at retail we have to print two copies. If we want to reach one subscriber, we only have to print one copy.

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David Hepworth | 2 September 2010 - 9:53am

Hold on though

That would only be true if you were not interested in growing your circulation, which I suspect you and your advertisers are, or if you could accurately predict the demand for retail copies, which you can't.

Reducing the number of copies on news stands would limit your best opportunity of getting new readers - so I imagine that number remains fairly constant even as you attract subscribers.

Which means that subscribing actually adds to the environmental damage caused by magazines, folks

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Captain Underpants | 2 September 2010 - 1:13pm

Everything is a calculation

We'd like to get new readers, obviously, but it's not something we can afford to spend fortunes on. We don't put out huge numbers of copies in the hope that somebody is going to suddenly bump into the magazine and decided to buy it. What's more realistic is to turn occasional readers into regular readers and regular readers into subscribers.

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David Hepworth | 2 September 2010 - 1:37pm

I understand that

but your earlier point suggests, to me at least, that if you got 1000 new subscribers in a year you'd reduce the retail copies by 2,000. I'd be surprised if you did that.

There must be a whole level of sophistication between "Putting out huge numbers of copies in the hope that somebody is going to suddenly bump into the magazine and decided to buy it" and "Wasting fortunes on unsold copies which enter the supply chain and never come back" that I'm failing to spot.

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Captain Underpants | 2 September 2010 - 2:26pm

The more your subscriber base grows....

...the less money you have to spend on trying to net new readers. The harder you're tring to drive news stand sales the more money you spend and the more copy you waste. Publishers are always seeking to reduce the number of copies they put into the supply chain. That applies to us as much as it does to Hello. The best position to be in is that of a title like The Week or Country Life, which sell the overwhelming majority of their copies on subscription.

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David Hepworth | 2 September 2010 - 3:15pm

Just as a matter of interest

what proportion of the Word sales are via subscription?

(I understand if that's commercially sensitive and you'd rather not say)

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stimpy | 2 September 2010 - 4:29pm

7500

on an average circulation of 26,555 (ABC year to Dec '09). Not really enough to give up on the shops yet.

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Captain Underpants | 2 September 2010 - 6:08pm

I feel a bit uncomfortable

reading about suicides at a major Apple component factory allegedly due to the sweatshop-like conditions.

I'm not getting all pious - in fact my laptop was made by HP which sources components from the same plant. God knows how many other unethically sourced things I consume.

In fact I don't really know where I'm going with this. As you were.

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Joe Robert | 2 September 2010 - 9:56am

All this is very interesting....

....but what I'm most interested is not so much what people might do as what people are already doing. The people I meet divide into two camps: those who think in the near future all magazines will be primarily available in devices like this and those who don't. Obviously it's early days but I've yet to meet anyone who has a history of regularly reading magazines on an iPad or an iPhone.

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David Hepworth | 2 September 2010 - 11:51am

Small scale, non-scientific piece of data

I tried to do a magazine on my iPod Touch, but gave up due to a combination of eyestrain/screen size/need to constantly adjust the screen to read the damn thing! I can't see the iPad being much better. In fact the e-version of the Word on my iMac can be something of a hassle.

I'll admit to being a GOM, but I can't see it replacing the physical version anytime soon. So much of magazine/newspaper reading is about what catches your eye - the serendipity element. E-reading will take that away, won't it?

What to your advertisers think? Do they have any views on the desirability or otherwise of having their products on an e-version of The Word?

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Gavin Adam | 2 September 2010 - 12:25pm

Advertisers always take the same view of innovations

They're all in favour of it in principle but a good deal harder to persuade when it comes to signing the cheque. Some of the big publishers are spending a lot of money on their apps at the moment in the hope that some of those advertisers might get excited about them. We can't afford to do that. And at the moment the user base is so small that it makes a lot more sense if you're a high street brand rather than a cultish one.

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David Hepworth | 2 September 2010 - 12:49pm

Some experience

I've been reading sections of newspapers and mobile editions grabbed from the web as well as mobile editions of travel books since I got my first PDA about 8 years ago. Over the years the methods and screens have improved to make the experience much more rewarding. I now have an HTC Desire instead of a PDA and one of the main items I read daily is the Guardian that has been grabbed overnight while I'm asleep by the unofficial app. Since the Sunday Times started a free trial of their "as printed" edition about 3 months ago, I haven't bought a single paper edition. I read that on a laptop but it would definitely be better with a touch screen, pinch and zoom etc. I feel quite virtuous saving all that paper and I get to read it while I'm having my breakfast on a Sunday - something that is only normally possible if I wait until the newsagents open. Obviously that isn't quite so important for a monthly magazine.
The big downside of reading things on hand held devices is that you often need to put them down, try eating a banana while reading a newspaper on a PDA - it's much easier to prop a real newspaper on your knee and you don't worry about it falling on the floor!

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JohnW | 2 September 2010 - 12:37pm

Never bought a paper copy of The Spectator or New Statesman...

...in my life.

This week subscribed to both on Kindle. £2.99/month each. Now obviously not getting pictures, ads, and some other content, but I'm seeing enough there to interest me and to justify keeping the subscriptions going.

Not sure it would work for something like The Word though, where the pictures are just as important as the words...

Interestingly, I've been a Labour voter all my life but am finding The Spectator to be a far more interesting and stimulating read than NS... do I need to worry?

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Paul Waring | 2 September 2010 - 6:35pm

What Leedsboy says...

...I need something to edit and change contracts/proposals and presentations. I quite like the idea of the iPad but it really isn't on top of the pile at the moment. And if it don't run Audacity not much fun for leisure.
It's very popular in my clients' marketing departments BTW.

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Richie B | 2 September 2010 - 12:26pm

I love it!

Checking and responding to email is fast. The thing just fires up and your off. Browsing's a doddle. A good selection of apps to explore, although I've not bought many. I've invested in Pages; Scrabble is well worth having! Photos look great on it (films too). You can read comfortably too. The one disadvantage is only being able to do one thing at a time, but I've not really been bothered by that.

This may be the beginning of the end of the laptop. It's not there yet. I'm using my laptop less and my iPad more - I wonder if others are doing likewise?

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Baskerville Old Face | 2 September 2010 - 12:46pm

Yes

Using it all the time while the laptop gathers dust. Not for any revolutionary purposes, just web and email, and the usual entertainment options that Apple delivers well.

That new iPod Nano looks good, btw.

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Devadip Cliff R... | 2 September 2010 - 2:09pm

not for me

I'm not at all convinced by the new nano. The fact that it looks good is all its got going for it as far as I'm concerned. I have a smart phone that is more than capable of playing music but I like being able to start and stop the music by feel in my pocket or in the car. I would have been tempted to upgrade if they had kept the old style but added more storage. By removing the nano "classic" they have effectively excluded me. I might as well by a bigger SD card for my phone.. but then Apple doesn't seem to recognise that concept!

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JohnW | 2 September 2010 - 3:24pm

Agree with you...

...on email. Blindingly quick on my iPod Touch.

I also go along with you on using it more and more on a substitution basis - especially for internet and email.

Anyone else using TVCatchup? Live TV on your Pod/Pad/Computer for free - terrestrials only at the moment though. Great for surreptitiously following the footie whilst the wife watches some drama or other.

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Gavin Adam | 2 September 2010 - 12:59pm

I just got an iPhone

It's amazing. Can do most things an iPad can do (and some it can't) and fits in my pocket. I just downloaded a GPS (Sat Nav) program for 99 cents which seems to work very well. I like the idea of the iPad but it's just a big iPod Touch really.

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dai | 2 September 2010 - 1:06pm

iPad use

...mainly surfing, book reading (which I don't have problem with ) and forever changing the theme via Winterboard!
Nice to have The Times ready and waiting with my cornflakes, and they keep extending my sub for nowt.....result.

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logicmill | 2 September 2010 - 2:39pm

Consumption

I don't think the iPad is the death of the laptop. It's a device for consuming things (and time) and not especially good for creating stuff (unless you are finger sketcher).

First thing I did with mine was load the first two hundred issues of 2000AD on it and devour them. It is the best electronic comics reader I have ever used.

iBooks are way too expensive for me to bother with but Good Reader is a godsend of an app for all your old PDF novels.

I am addicted to longform.org via iPad.

I doubt whether I will ever write coherently by means of this awful touch keyboard.

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James EB | 2 September 2010 - 3:31pm

I got mine jointly with my

I got mine jointly with my wife, which makes the price much more palatable. (If you'll excuse the shill, I wrote a piece on the logistics of joint ownership here: http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/08/17/five-tips-for-sharing-an-ipad)

For me, the iPad isn't something you need until you've got one. It's not a straight replacement for any one device, but does many things well. What makes it work so well is that it really does flick on and off in an instant, have a battery that lasts seemingly forever, and is utterly silent. It's at this perfect sweet spot of being big enough that it presents the web in "full size", but small enough that its unobtrusive and can be carried anywhere without a thought.

Among the functions it fulfills in our house:

* Web browser. Or specifically, "thing that sits on the coffee table and is used either to check if everyone else agrees that guy on Question Time is talking piffle, or to find out where you remember that guy in the film from."

* e-book Reader: It does the job fine for me, and looking at the size of my Amazon wishlist and the lack of space on our bookshelves, I can see it getting some use. It's also ideal for lengthy PDF documents, both legal and otherwise. I'm sure the Kindle is better if you are reading for hours on end, but if I were doing that, I'd probably take the book with me anyway.

* Portable TV: Between the iPlayer and the TVCatchup link, it takes the place of a second/third/eleventh TV set in our house. Because it's so portable, you can watch TV in the bedroom/dining room/kitchen/bathroom/garden without the need for multiple sets.

* Downloadable TV: The AirVideo app streams stuff straight from your computer to the iPad with no need to mess about converting files into the right format or setting up streaming to a box connected to a TV or any such palava.

* Cookbook: Much as I love my Nigella Lawson/I Can Cook/etc, sometimes you just want to search for a recipe online (though the web or apps such as Epicurious). The size of the iPad means its ideal to stick on a countertop (well away from splashes!) rather than squint at a tiny phone screen or print a recipe onto a sheet of paper that's destined to end up in the bin, a sauce and oil covered mess, the same night.

* Work computer: For my work (writing), the iPad is a machine that can technically and theoretically be a work tool, but I wouldn't use it by choice. For my wife, though, it's ideal: when she's on train trips it's small enough to fit on the back of a seat, but big enough that she can do what she needs to -- ie dealing with e-mail and typing/editing the odd report -- in a much more comfortable manner than with a phone.

* Games machine: OK, it's no next-gen console, but Angry Birds on a larger screen keeps the missus quiet, a £1.79 Trivial Pursuit app dealt with a Bank Holiday visit by relatives when the sun had disappeared, and there's something wonderfully stupid about using a £400+ machine to play Air Hocket.

* News reader: I'm not yet subscribing to any magazines, but I can certainly say that I wouldn't dream of scrolling through the New York Times website every day, but I regularly find stuff worth a read through its app.

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JNLister | 2 September 2010 - 5:51pm

iPad....

... used mainly for surfing, e-mailing, tweeting and iTunes. It's very portable and starts up quickly. Oh and the screen looks good. Now, if they could only enable Adobe Flash Player we'd have everything.

My wife mainly uses it to play Angry Birds.

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Nicodemus | 2 September 2010 - 6:11pm

I did wonder about the things.

Mrs Law is lusting after one. Then my new associate at work turned up with one, running a lovely app which demonstrates dental procedures. You can sit down with it, with the patient, walk them through a procedure, show pictures / x-rays / videos.. It's fantastic. Much better than sitting in front of a monitor.

I'm investing.

Do I want 3G, though? What do users think?

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Lenny Law | 2 September 2010 - 10:23pm

3G

Not if you have an iPhone. You may want to consider a mifi type personal 3G wifi - especially if you have a few devices you'd like to connect via 3G with as an option as well - the data packages are better and you spend less on the iPad.

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Leedsboy | 2 September 2010 - 10:38pm

A possibly minor point but...

only the 3G models have inbuilt GPS.

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stimpy | 3 September 2010 - 7:53am

Are you sure about that?

My iPad's wi-fi only, yet it always knows exactly where I am on Maps, Google Earth, etc. Which rather suggests it's fully GPS-capable.

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Paul Vincent | 3 September 2010 - 9:04am

I think

it uses your IP address as a location. It won't do it if you switch the wireless off I don't think. Same with the Ipod touch.

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Leedsboy | 3 September 2010 - 9:31am

Not quite

Your IP address is a very inaccurate way to define location. It might get the city you're in right, but anything more precise than that won't be reliable.

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Fraser Lewry | 3 September 2010 - 9:53am

Definitely. I checked before I bought my iPad

The Wi-fi models do some cleverness with IP addresses of visible wireless networks to locate you.

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stimpy | 3 September 2010 - 9:43am

Yep

Wi-fi models use wi-fi positioning (WPS), 3G models use GPS.

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Fraser Lewry | 3 September 2010 - 9:56am

Absolutely

You may not use the 3G very much but it will be at the time you most want to (eg train)

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tim tunes | 3 September 2010 - 8:47am

Value for money

My issue is, you could buy a wifi Kindle for GBP 109 and a decent 10" netbook (such as an Acer D260) for GBP 249.

Which would still leave you GBP 71 change compared to the cheapest iPad available.

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Brookster | 2 September 2010 - 10:47pm

Horses for courses

Neither of those is an instant on internet browsing tool or Sonos remote control though. When it comes to VFM it's a case of which boxes you put ticks in whether you think it's worth it or not. I'm sure that within 6 months I'll have bought an Android version (because Android is just so much more flexible than iOS for the user) but the Kindle only arrived yesterday so it won't be pensioned off just yet.

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JohnW | 3 September 2010 - 6:33am

Kindle & iPod touch

for me. About £400 for the lot and if I want to do any serious writing or browsing I use my iMac or laptop. I still think the iPod touch is a seriously underrated piece of kit - extraordinary value for money.

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Leedsboy | 3 September 2010 - 9:03am

agreed

Pity the ipod touch entry price has just gone up this week. Still I agree with you although I reckon my new HTC desire will cost me about £120 over two years and it does most things better than an ipod touch and it does so much more. I can use it to create a mifi point and point the kindle at it.

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JohnW | 3 September 2010 - 12:17pm

Sounds tempting

I was looking at getting a mifi device - for my touch and kindle. Didn't realise the desire could do that.

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Leedsboy | 3 September 2010 - 12:29pm

Now it's easy

I think it always could if you were prepared to try to get hard to use app working but since the Froyo update the app is part of the basic build and works just fine.

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JohnW | 3 September 2010 - 2:04pm

ipod touch fan

too.....just love its design, its weight and the experience of using it. Yes email is fast and locating a hot spot is fine.

Ipad looks like a big ipod but you can't slip it into your pocket. I'm sure its a lovely bit of kit - but its pricey.

As to keyboard-less devices - I had a touch phone and I got rid of it. couldn't use it in sunshine and i find using a mini keyboard on a blackberry far quicker.

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andrewdavidlong | 9 September 2010 - 7:20pm

By the same logic...

you can buy a Kia Picanto plus a Citroen Berlingo van and you'd have change when compared to a Range Rover :-)

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stimpy | 3 September 2010 - 7:56am

Except

Your hypothetical Range Rover will only run on proprietary Range Rover petrol, you can't use it on the motorway and it's too wide to go in your garage.

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Brookster | 3 September 2010 - 8:36am
stimpy | 3 September 2010 - 9:52am

3G meaning

3 gallons to the mile I presume.

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Leedsboy | 3 September 2010 - 10:49am

WiFi 64 gig for me...

I just had to have one because I already have all manner of iPods and the large iMac at home, and have a rather bad Apple habit.

Like most of you it's primary function for me has been web surfing away from the fixed point of my iMac, and the ease of switching on and everything just being there is a huge plus.

I would like to read more newspapers via the iPad, however pricing is a switch off at the moment. I had a free subscription to the FT for a month and it was a brilliant interface, but at the current pricing I would not get sufficient value out of it.

I think I would be drawn to magazines in this format though. I have a major character flaw in that I retain all copies of old music magazines (I found Word edition 1 the other day), and all they do is take up room, deteriorate and gather dust. I think to myself that one day I'll refer back to them, but of course never do. if I could keep them as accessible files on my iPad that would be great.

I use my 160gig iPod less and less. I went through my iTunes library and selected a personal top albums of each year (maximum 10) set up a playlist by year and synced to my iPad. It spans from the 60's to date, and means I have everything I deem essential whenever I go anywhere, and it only occupies about one third of the memory.

I have converted some DVDs for consumption away from home, and downloaded some iPlayer TV too, and it's a great interface for viewing these.

The only books I have a the free ones (classics) I much prefer the paper experience for reading.

I have a few games which my kids use, Angry Birds, MultiPong and a couple of others, they seem happy and it knocks spots of playing these on an iPod Touch or iPhone.

What I would like is when I + The Word web page and add to my home screen,, it would look so much better if it saved a lovely Word icon rather than a tint representation of a web page. This works on sites like the BBC, so there must be a little tweak that you can apply. That or a Word App that links in would complement the device perfectly.

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sound_chaser | 3 September 2010 - 7:47am

Speakers

The speakers on it are remarkably good - I find the whole itunes experience more fun on the iPad

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tim tunes | 3 September 2010 - 8:51am

A better car

I love my iPad - I would sum it up by saying that it just does the 'leisure' aspects of 'surfing' that much better

There are a number of posts here that say '...but I can do the same things on my XYZ and thats cheaper...or what does it do that others don't, go on, amaze me...' but thats missing the point, its just better

A modern state-of the-art Vorsprung Durch Technik car still fundamentally does the same thing as an Austin Allegro [insert favourite old clapped-out car] - it gets you from 'A to B'. But really, who ceteris paribus would go for the allegro or fairly agree the merits of the newer model?

2 other points - its the first of my many gadgets that the FPO picked up and started using without saying 'rubbish it doesn't work' or 'I hate the modern world, give me a book etc'

and 2, try the Reeder RSS app, http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/app-review-reeder-may-be-the-best...

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tim tunes | 3 September 2010 - 8:41am

My FPO/GLW/Missus...

... said the same thing. Ease of use and the fact that stuff "works" is a major plus.

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Nicodemus | 4 September 2010 - 11:31am

EyeTV

EyeTV (the Mac TV app) is well integrated with iPad and can be set up to automatically export in iPad friendly format. The quality is fantastic.

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tim tunes | 3 September 2010 - 8:54am

Like a duck to water

I got an iPad in June as a means to try and reduce the piles of books, magazines, newspapers etc which clutter the side of the bed, much to FPOs aggravation.

I usually have a couple of books on the go, read the times and subscribe to word, wsc, empire.

The iPad has really changed the way I read. I subscribe to the times, which is good value compared to the paper version at a tenner a month. I've downloaded books via kindle and iBooks and have found both readable for long periods. I can do the telegraph crossword every day on it (as I subscribe to the telegraph crossword site!).

I can also browse, play plants vs zombies, watch Beatles anthology and listen to The National albums at the drop of a hat.

The thing it has done is encouraged me to read more! I now subscribe to a couple of other mags via zinio and I can read books for five or ten minutes whenever a lull in daily proceedings takes hold, which is not always the case with a paperback.

I still subscribe to the paper mags, but only because they don't offer an iPad alternative. I would happily pay the same sub price to be given an iPad version and a spotify link each month from the word, for example. At least I would have it with me whenever, wherever, and there would be little chance of it being thrown out in error!

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Bignothing1 | 5 September 2010 - 5:14pm

I'm very interested....

....in the fact that you subscribe to various magazines via sites like Zinio because my view at the moment is that page turning technology like theirs - not dissimilar to the Ceros "e-zine" version of The Word that we send out to subscribers - is a nice add-on but it will never be a substitute for the magazine experience.

That's not because I have some romantic view of the superiority of magazines. It's simply horses for courses. Technologies such as Zinio provide photographs of magazines pages arranged on a computer screen. It's like reading a book through the window of Waterstone's. You can do it but it wouldn't be the way you would choose to do it.

However, I would be *delighted* to be proved wrong and I'd be very interested to hear whether people find themselves getting hooked on the on-screen magazine experience. At the moment we're in the land of novelty.

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David Hepworth | 7 September 2010 - 2:16pm

At some stage in the very

At some stage in the very near future, a large media publisher is going to be able to consider bundling a cheap Android tablet with a two year magazine it newspaper subscription in much the same way as mobile phone companies hand out "free" phones. Buying a Sunday broadsheet costs £100 a year, if I was offered a two year sub for £200 with a tablet thrown in then I would seriously consider it.

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JohnW | 7 September 2010 - 6:21pm

They're great for subtly irritating people on the train.

Ideally, you need to adopt a slightly smug grin whilst using it. You can see the person next to you trying not to look at it and feel them wanting to ask for a go.

Childish I know... :-)

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stimpy | 5 September 2010 - 6:24pm

Minor but irritating point: as a guitarist

the long-formed hard skin pads on the tips of the fingers of my left hand do not register well on touch-screen devices. The fleshier fingertips on my right hand work fine - completing the circuit, or whatever they're supposed to do, with ease. I know you can add a Bluetooth keyboard but that puts more kit between me and the internet - but that makes it more like a laptop again, which would defeat the object.

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Bigsby | 5 September 2010 - 6:53pm

Have you tried an i device?

Have you tried an i device? The screen is capacitive so doesn't rely on a 'circuit'. Just the proximity of flesh.

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jwfrancis | 10 September 2010 - 7:23pm

Have you tried an i device?

Have you tried an i device? The screen is capacitive so doesn't rely on a 'circuit'. Just the proximity of flesh.

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jwfrancis | 10 September 2010 - 7:23pm

The iOS mail app is currently a pile of poo

as it has no Smart Folders or rules so, consequently, my inbox is just too cluttered to handle.

The only current solution that works for me is to leave mail.app open on an OSX machine so the rules get applied as mail is delivered.

This method, of course, relies on me only opening iPad mail when I know the mails has been processed by the OSX machine. That way, the iPad inbox syncs to the 'post-rules' view of the mail account.

Too fiddly really so I rarely use the iPad mail when I'm away from home unless I really have to.

Apple claim that iOS4.2 includes 'an improved' mail app. We shall see...

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stimpy | 9 September 2010 - 12:23pm

I agree on Mail...

...but you could use a Gmail account. Even if you don't want to use a Gmail address, just use imap to funnel all your other mail via Gmail and use the Gmail page to access your mail on the iPad. You can add a Homescreen button and you'll also get access to ALL your folders and it's a really nice interface.

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ainsley009 | 9 September 2010 - 1:05pm

My ISP (eclipse) does it's own webmail service

which does the job (he said grudgingly) but there's something that feels 'not right' about using webmail when I have a mail client as well.

They really need to sort it out in iOS4.2 though or um... I'll err... say "Oh bother".

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stimpy | 9 September 2010 - 6:10pm

Errr

I thought it "just works". Is that as in "...not very well"? ;-)

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Twangothan | 9 September 2010 - 6:24pm
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