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Another One Bites The Dust
14 January 2009: It is with regret that the Joint Administrators of zavvi UK today announced the immediate closure of a further 18 zavvi UK stores. The Joint Administrators will continue to trade the remaining 74 stores throughout the UK.
The closure of these 18 stores will unfortunately lead to the redundancy of 353 employees. The Joint Administrators continue to work closely with the Insolvency Service’s Redundancy Payment Office and Job Centre Plus to provide support and advice to all employees made redundant, including a fast track process for paying redundancy entitlements.
Tom Jack, Joint Administrator, said: “Despite having received in excess of 70 expressions of interest, we have not received any offers for the store portfolio as a whole. Consequently, with reducing stock levels we have had to manage the cost base of the business and close a further 18 stores.
We will however continue to trade the remaining zavvi stores with a view to selling all or part of the zavvi business as a going concern. We remain optimistic that current sale negotiations will prove successful and that a sale can be achieved.
We are extremely grateful to the staff and management at all stores and the head office for their fantastic support throughout this difficult time. We would also like to thank Job Centre Plus and The Redundancy Payments Office for their continued support.”
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Well
It's gutting for the staff obviously but in general I'd say good riddance. I went in our local Zavvi (which by the way is a completeley absurd name for a record shop) and they didn't appear to sell any CDs. It was just DVD boxsets, mobile phone accessories and games.
But perhaps I might sideline this thread one moment for a reminiscence on...
Defunct record store chains we have loved and lost
I'll start with Our Price. That's where I bought all my music in the mid 90s and it tended to be staffed by people with an actual interest in music. No gimmicks, listening stations, display units, etc, just racks and racks of tapes and CDs to waste your Saturdays flicking idly through.
Yes, Our Price was great...
I worked in a branch in the late 1980s. It was a different world back then; we were allowed to smoke and drink beer in the shop and the assistant manager Troy once spent the whole working day with a photo of Stevie Nicks sellotaped to the crotch of his leather trousers...
It started well…
… I seem to remember, but in its latter years Our Price suffered from a very mainstream-orientated stock.
Anyone remember Harlequin Records?
To be honest, though, it's hard to feel much affection for any of the chain record stores, existing or defunct. Unlike, say, Bonaparte's in Croydon. Now THAT was what a record shop should be.
Browsing tapes...
...seems like something that happened so long ago now. Used to do this at Our Price in Belfast because I couldn't afford CDs.
On this isle we had a chain called Golden Discs. Fairly limited stock but they put new releases for sale the Saturday beforehand in stores in the north as well as the south.
The Gramophone Shop was another chain I think based in NI only. They had a Belfast branch and other shops within some provincial shopping centres.
And
Caroline Music in Belfast too in the days of vinyl, and Hector's House, an independent which stocked all manner of 'Italian Imports' which was a recognised code for bootleg material.
As noted above it's hard to get excited about or muster the same degree of affection for the larger chains. Having said that some of the staff in HMV in Belfast are great in a pro-active 'if you're buying that you might like to hear this' sort of way. I prefer to trust that type of personal recommendation to the computer generated shove in a particular direction based on that Westlife CD you ordered for your mum for Christmas.
But Belfast is rapidly becoming a wasteland for Music sales
Hectors House and Caroline went in the past couple of years and one of the 2 Zavvi's will go shortly. Leaves us with HMV, Zavvi, a couple of shops in Smithfield and one 2nd hand place in InStores. Hardly worth going into Town at all....
I think it's always been the way
that record shops on John Bulls Other Island have tended to release albums on the Friday before they get released in Great Britain; I guess it's partly to do with delivery logistics or some such. HMV in Limerick always fired out the new stuff the Friday before the release date; you'd have the promo stuff for the new REM album saying 'Out Monday' and you could toddle in and buy it there and then!
Was Our Price like Virgin and HMV?
Did they have large shops, or were they all small little places?
Our Price
...had there stores bought by Virgin, non? I seem to think that most current (recent?) Zavvi stores stand on the fossilised bones of Our Price stores from the 90's. This is certainly the case in the smallish high street store in Chelmsford and several others in any case.
I remember the Maidenhead Our Price
having a blacked out window with gold lettering counting down to something massive and we were all wondering what it was.
Turned out it was 'Rattle And Hum'
Our Price
were bought by WHSmith, and later on they also stumped up for the Virgin high street stores. The whole lot got rebranded as Virgin stores.
After pole-axing the management structure of both, WHSmith sold the lot round about the time they flogged off their DIY chain, in order to refocus their business on the core of books, papers and stationery.
They sold the Our Price/Virgin business to another branch of the Virgin empire, and a management buy-out led to the rebranding as Zavvi.
Andy's Records anyone?
"An East Anglian Institution" was their catchphrase. Hardly world shaking, but spent plenty of money there in my youth...
Seriously, though I've no love for Zavvi and nothing but sympathy for their employees, this isn't good news for consumers, as it's now HMV or nothing on the High Street (even the last few Fopps are owned by HMV)
Andy's
I regularly used to shop at Andy's Records on Burleigh Street in Cambridge. It was enormous and upstairs they sold second hand vinyl. I even applied for a job there once and you had to name your three favourite albums and state why you liked them on the application form - my limited teenage selection of grunge, metal and punk bands clearly wasn't to their liking because they didn't get back in touch.
The original Andy started out with a market stall in Peterborough selling records apparently and I seem to recall my aunt claiming that she once went on a date with him.
Andy's.....
Could never get on with them, despite the proliferation of excellent rarities.
I blame the arse about face indexing system...
WG records in Shepherds Bush Market was my choice of retailer as kid/teenager. Excellent selection of picture discs. Bought Anthem by Toyah and Africa (in the shape of Africa, natch) by Toto, AND Don't Stand So Close to Me in the shape of Police Badge there....long since damaged and I now cry when I see the prices the Toto one now commands across the Pond.....
The iTunes system of indexing 25 years ago
I always thought it was so much easier to use - put things in alphabetical order by the actual name of the act. So Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers would be under J, rather than some really annoying shops that would put it under R or M.
The wierd thing was that they had this straightforward system, but for some reason (in the original shop in Bury St Edmunds, anyway) they divided the stock into UK artists and US artists. You could never find ABBA.
Spent most of my pocket money in there over the years: a proper record shop at the outset with staff who knew so much and didn't look down their noses at you for asking. Applied for a job there back in the early 80s and much of the interview was taken up with Andy saying the name of an act or an album, then I had to give some sort of description of the style of music, or something else about it. Can't help feeling my failure to be able to describe how much I disliked Bauhaus was the deciding factor in not getting the job.
People are too hard on zavvi
All of the issues with zavvi existed when it was Virgin. It was expensive and stock was poor. Not sure if zavvi is a worse name than Virgin even. The management buyout was just a way to get the Virgin brand out of a difficult market - clever bit of strategy (savvy even).
savvi
surely?
I was
trying to be subtle.
it'll never catch on
.
I live in hope
MVC RIP MMVI
The arrival of an MVC in Southend resulted in a Mexican standoff at the top of the high street, as it went head-to-head with branches of Virgin and HMV. All three shops were within a couple of minutes walking distance of each other and there was strong competition.
MVC may have been a chainstore but it was run a little differently from its more established rivals. The staff seemed to be under no pressure to promote the latest releases. Instead they played whatever they liked. In doing so they tapped into one of the underestimated pleasures of music buying – that of walking into a record shop and hearing an album that could have come out at any point during the last 50 years, played in its entirety. Ironically the only time I experience this now is when I visit Shepherds Bookbinders in Holborn.
Every now and then while flipping through the racks, I would encounter something completely bizarre and unexpected; an Acid Mothers Temple import, for example – the kind of thing usually only found in the London Oxford Street branch of HMV with an absurdly inflated price tag on it. Unexpected discoveries are another staple of the quality record shopping experience. I would like to extend my gratitude to whoever or whatever was responsible for this and the various other oddities that I would occasionally come across, lurking incongruously among the Britney Spears and Oasis CDs. There was a glorious irrationality to it.
MVC changed hands a number of times during its short life and finally closed its doors in 2006. The recently defunct Zavvi and, last man standing, HMV may have been better run businesses, but as record shops their provisional branches are musical dead-zones that seem to quash any passion their staff might have for what they are selling.
MVC had an independent streak, or at least the branch in Southend did. It’s been gone a while now and I miss it.
did you say southend?
The former rock-n-roll town in Essex? I grew up there in the 1970s. You want proper record shops? Let's hear it for: Record World; Downtown; Parrot; Golden Disc (three branches); Guy Norris and Revolver. And there might have been even more. All in the one town. My how things have changed.
Parrot
There was a Parrot Records in Cambridge back in the day, I can't imagine they were connected though, it must be a coincidence. It stocked albums several days before their release dates on the new releases racks and the rest of the shop was filled almost randomly it seemed. The guy behind the counter had an encyclopedic music knowledge and they also used to stock handmade tapes of dance music mixed by local DJs as I recall.
Parrot...
Think they were connected, as there was one in Chelmsford, too.
My first baby steps of realising you didn't have to buy records from Smiths or Boots were made there and in the glorious old Our Price which was a tiny, dark little place full of people who loved the vinyl there were selling.
I've got a feeling there was in Colchester, but I may be mis-remembering that. Giles Smith 'Lost in Music' would confirm the Colchester one, but I cannot be bothered to dig my copy out.
MVC was run by the Woolworths parent company...
...and was shut down in 2006. Our Price died in 2004. Virgin/Zavvi (same chain, different name) fell over in 2009. Indies have been dying since I left mine in 2001 (and since then I have worked for OP, MVC's parent company, and with Zavvi).
High Street record shopping is done. Check the comments on related threads: it's over, the internet has won. If you have had recommended, say, "Spirit Of Eden", why would you go to your nearest BIG town to buy it for £10? Amazon have it for £6. And you can hear clips first.
When I was in my indie record shop bloke mode, a guy walked in and said to me, "You know how, in the 1930s, Luton was full of hatmakers? Not anymore. You move on, mate." He was right. CD shopping is now all about the online experience.
Virgin on the ridiculous
The biggest record shop in New York, the Virgin Megastore in Times Square, is to close in April.
The 75,000 sq ft store, which opened in 1996, is one of six currently operating under the Virgin name in the US.
However, its fate has been uncertain since Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson sold his North American entertainment arm in August 2007.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7828483.stm
I think it's very sad.
Admittedly, my last couple of trips to ransack Zavvi have been trying, a handful of bored, demotivated staff and Katy Perry played on a loop. Despite this, I still love record shops.
I love browsing, wasting time, looking for bargains, finding stuff that I'd read about ages ago and thought, I must get that, and then finding it much later, remaindered.
We're about to lose a huge piece of our social fabric. It won't come back, what with the digital age and all that.
Soon, the chance of getting chinned by a Mod for getting the last copy of Gary Gilmours Eyes in a picture sleeve, will be gone forever. A world where your grand kids sit at your feet and say ' What was it like buying records grandad?'
Shame.
Record buying stopped being social
when communal listening booths disappeared and when the 'proper' Virgin shops stopped having bean bags
Yeah
and (in the Plymouth one) a beaten up old sofa under headphones hanging from the ceiling, two racks of 'imports' (dodgy US cutouts at £1.99 that were always warped to hell), and three exceptionally hairy young persons behind the counter, one of whom was of the female variety and lusted after by every male over 14 years of age that I knew. All this in a shop about 10 feet by 12. Brilliant.
The question is...
...what would you rather have - a record store that you approved of or one that stayed in business? It seems that people are very approving of old stores that went bust and very scathing about new stores that are going bust as well.
A record store that stays in business…
… but carries purely mainstream fodder and doesn't stock what i want is of no use to me. It'll be the internet or buying CDs direct from performers at gigs, the way it's going.
What we seem to be saying...
as most commentators are also saying, is a typical high street is typically boring. Same stores selling the same product.
In another post there seems to be a love of visiting local stores run by people who like music and may have some understanding of what they sell. As opposed to someone who can scan a barcode. Traditionally these have lower overheads and less of a need to "pile-it-high-and-flog-it-quick".
It would be a shame if those days disappear but accept that such a store will have to adopt a different sales model to survive. To compete with the chains many independents became members of the "Chain Without A Name" to advertise and buy in bulk. Perhaps an updated model would compete with the web-based selling sites. There must be a niche market for such locally-based independents when, according to Amazon's figures, there are over 500 new releases every week in January.
You'd think so...
..but I tried that. It didn't work. This isn't High Fidelity.
I don't particularly care
as I've bought far more music since I stopped fruitlessly and tediously trawling the racks, searching for gold amongst the dross, and started buying everything either online (eBay, etailers, direct from band sites, eMusic, ...) or direct from the bands' merch table after gigs. Far more. Back in the day, record shops were an essential, invaluable way of getting my musical fix. Now I find them irrelevant.
Virgin Megastore Chicago
...closed in 2007. I remember browsing the aisles during its closing down sale. The place was deserted even when there was plenty of good stock going cheap.
Callers
Callers was, I believe, a small north-eastern company that in the '70's and '80's ran a small chain of shops that sold carpets, some white goods and records. There was a big one on Northumberland Street in Newcastle and a smaller one in the village further north I used to live in.
Carpet showroom on the ground floor. Record and Tapes upstairs on the second. Never struck me as at all odd then. But bloody well does now.
Valances
White Goods downstairs, records up stairs.
Disque in Wallsend took in sewing, there was another one round the corner that sold bikes in one half, records in the other. Proper shops.
I bought my first single from
Valances in Bradford - never realised it was a chain. Lotsa tellies downstairs.
Reports state HMV are to buy 14 Zavvi stores
but I don't know which ones
I would say in towns/cities
I would say in towns/cities where there isn't any a HMV already.
I miss the MVC/Music-Zone/Fopp in Andover, whenever you walk past the empty shell of the shop, it brings back memories of college-life where 2 hour breaks were spent looking though the racks of cds to see if there was anything interesting worth buying. Browsing online doesn't have the same effect.
Do da maff
18 stores, 353 employees. That makes an average of 20 or so in each shop. Assuming they weren't all genuine Oxford Streetesque megastores, surely five or six to replenish the racks, two in the stock room, a couple of floorwalkers and three or four on the tills would have sufficed.
So what did the other half of the workforce do?
Probably shifts and cover Holidays
I would guess
110 of those were in the Picadilly elephant
...which may revise your maths somewhat. Do you honestly believe these people weren't on minimum wage and doing the job because they *wanted* to?
Plus, Archie, I don't know what you do for a living, but do you really work 9-7 Mon-Sat and also six hours on a Sunday?
I must admit I get a little wound up about website gloaters when retailers go down. Rarely is it the shop workers' fault.
110!
In a previous life I used to work at the original Oxford Street HMV, hence my question. Even back then the hours were 10-6 Mon-Sat, 10-8 on Thurs, working alternate Saturdays. It was the biggest record shop in the world by far (this was pre-Tower and Megastore and pre-computers for ordering, stock control, etc.), yet it managed to run on a workforce of about 80 people in all - including canteen staff.
I'd just read or heard somewhere that overstaffing was one of Zavvi's problems, that's all. But definitely no gloating here (especially since a very old friend of mine is one of their directors, having started out filling racks at a suburban Our Price 30 years ago).
Perhaps their hands were tied in the buyout anyway, with the outlook already pretty grim when Branson decided to get rid, but not quite as grim as shutting up shop rid and going to sign on. They gave it their best shot but it just didn't work out.
I'll add
my sentiments to Archie's. He's not gloating, and my "don't care" comment was purely related to my indifference to the existence of record shops, not to the awfulness of losing their jobs, which is what the staff are going through. It would be hard not to care about that.
HMV
I recall when this thread ran before, late Dec 08 (carp, carp),that a comment was made about how responsibly HMV would run their near monopoly. Heppo surmised that the interweb online competition would prevent them from making hay with their prices.
Hmmmmm.
Needing some retail therapy I popped in yesterday. Apart from the pitifully small area devoted to what is just now called "specialist", in the small 1/4 of the shop devoted to CDs, there seemed way more titles at £16 than I recall previously, suggesting a surreptitious hike has taken place.
Back catalogue
HMV's back catalogue stock has always been horrendously priced, unless tied in with other promotional offers (usually when a mainstream band have "other" activity going on - eg all Floyd back catalogue at £8 when the PULSE DVD came out with the accompanying round of promotion). I picked up, and then put down, the repackaged 2CD version of the PSB's Introspective last summer when seeing the £16 label!
HMV are still pretty competitive on the chart cd's but, in my experience, have always hiked the back catalogue prices, competition or not...
HMV branching out
As well as buying some Zavvi branches, HMV is also investing in live music via a 50% stake in Mama. Venues include the Hammersmith Apollo (I still have trouble not calling it 'Odeon') which will become the HMV Apollo.
Full story here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/14/hmv-enters-live-music-mar...
They can call it what they want...
...but it'll always be the Hammy Odeon to me
Flippin Eck
I had completely forgotten that HMV owned Waterstones.
C'mon chaps. Build a mega-megastore somewhere near me, stocking every possible book/CD/DVD/magazine/cassette/wotsit at half price. Include a real ale and coffee bar plus comfy chairs where we can listen to music all day long and I can guarantee The Word readership will flock in their hundreds. Spouse permitting.
In Zavvi last night...
I went to see what was going cheap, they were already clearing the shelves of stock. The lass who served me was genuinely upset about losing the job she loved doing. Really sad, even though it wasn't a brilliant store any more, 300 more people out of work is not good.
The Zavvi here in Salisbury has been bought up by HMV
and the first thing they have done is take down the 20% off sale sign and whack all the remaining stock back up to full price.
I won't be going back in.
a side issue..
.. but is the Britannia Music Club still going? - I think that was it's name - haven't seen a leaflet for any of those things - books, music etc in a dog's age.
Oh yeah
forgot about them. I got sucked into the promise of five free tapes when I was about 13 and then had to save up my pocket money to buy an album every month as I was mortally afraid of their veiled threats and beleived that if i didn't I might have to go to jail.
Do they still sponsor the Brits? Or did they organise it? I can't remember.
Went for an interview
to Britannia in the late '70's, only because I was down in London for another one and got double expenses.
Probably did not help my cause when I told them of my trouble in getting out of the club and finally writing a desperate letter to their computer to stop sending me newsletters, as writing to humans had not worked.
Owned by Polygram at the time. Hence lots of offers on The Jam and Dire Straits.
Nobody's Talking About Tower...
As a teen being brought to London, Tower on Picadilly Circus was an awesome place. Every record you could think of was there and amazingly it stayed open till midnight. Midnight! It seemed like the perfect music store.
I was lucky enough as a kid to be brought on some cool holidays and to have parents indulge me on a visit to the local Tower, so I got to visit Sunset Strip and NYC stores. In the nineties as a college student in Dublin, we got our own Tower Records on Wicklow Street, which to my mind was the coolest thing to happen in those pre-Celtic Tiger days. It went on fire, they had a very, very nice fire sale of barely damaged goods, then it re-opened, and it continues to trade to this day. Is it the only Tower left?
When I'm back in Dublin, I still have a root aroud, it's got a good vibe and you can read the magazines for ages...
http://www.towerrecords.ie/
Never mind the chain stores...
... what about the beautiful indie stores? Dublin's best record shop, the delightful Road Records, has just announced it is to close. Very sad news indeed, and likely to have a massive impact on the Irish music scene.
No doubt Tower Records is next. IT is the only Tower left, the rest of them closed years ago. And whilst the vibe in there is good, they charge so much more for records than anyone else in Ireland that people will just turn their backs on them. I know I have.
http://www.thumped.com/news/music-news/sad-news-from-road-records.html
At last some good news to come out of the credit crunch.
Record shops only have themselves to blame. Each one has the same stock - whatever x-factor has churned out that week. At least on line you can easily find what you're looking for (impossible in a record shop if the music is more than six months old)and you don't have to deal with the sulky moody staff, the majority of whom don't appear to realise that they are there to serve the customers. Good riddance to Zavvi and roll on the end of HMV.
My God! How can this possibly be seen as good news????
Just because you don't like the store it doesn't mean that whatever business model you would have liked to have seen would have worked either.
Is it not possible that the high street stores have been rail-roaded into this "same stock" policy by competiton from the supermarkets and internet. It's not like the independent retailers - with more varied stock - have been doing well.
How can a business going bust be good news? How is no record shops better than HMV/Zaavi?? "Good riddance"??? That is very very harsh .... people are losing their jobs man!
At the end of the day maybe these type of stores have had their time but that is no reason to gloat ..................
Too harsh.....
On line browsing is well nigh impossible, the art of not knowing whatt you may need, want, covet or desire, until prompted by physical appearance and presence. Getting harder and harder to do, as the outlets reduce. When there is nowt but supermarkets and charity shops to flutter thru' the racks of, imagine what unsuitable nonsense will be purchased. Sometimes the itch just has to be scratched, sometimes there just has to be a musical purchase, just to bring order back to the chaos (or the other way round): we are at risk of being denied this civil liberty!
I'm With Grimmer!!!!!!!!
You can't halt progress, but good riddance??????????? Sheesh!
Reading This Thread...........
is a memory jogger of how many chains have actually gone down the tubes.
I'd forgot about MVC and Andy's Records, I liked Andy's, the staff cared.
Furthermore, with the barrage of closures over the past couple of years, getting stock out of the Record Companies (sic) is nigh on impossible without paying at least something up front.
So the future of music, if ever there was any doubt, is not on the High Street.
The judge of if a Retail Business is a potential goer, is summed up by "Would You Open It Now".
Who would open a Music Retail Business now? Maybe an indie or someone who could rely on good second hand stock turning over.
If you did want new back catalogue or more obscure stuff, it's distributed by majors who won't supply you.
The real nail in the coffin for Music Retail was EUK going down, they'd become the middle men who took all the risk.
And that's not all!
I've seen music business future, and it's name is Spotify.
Christ
I just downloaded it the other night, scary isn't it?
And yet...
There does not seem to be any let up in releases and reissues.
How the prices have fallen. Have just seen a Japanese copy - cardboard sleeve & obi - of Springsteen's Born In The USA CD for sale in my local Asda. Price £3.