Good for him. If we supply a list, could he call a load of other people ****s and get their jobs too?

* I am funny.

Lot of truth in that original post. Two facts as I see it.

spilling over here again is it they do like a moan that lot ! :)

Exhibit 1: comedy podcast by two freelance broadcasters recorded in front of radio industry audience, of which this brief extract was posted on YouTube by member of unofficial lobby group not that keen on a contracted BBC presenter

Exhibit 2: freelance broadcaster is asked to fill in for said contracted BBC presenter for one show only, due to "themed" nature of Bank Holiday weekend

The three-hour programme I am presenting on 6 Music this Friday, in George Lamb's usual 10am-1pm shot, is part of a Goth-themed day. I have made it fairly clear than I used to be a bit of a Goth in the 80s, hence the call-up. I am not replacing him, or trying to get his job!

Or have I suddenly gone back to the playground and some people are standing around in a circle shouting, "Fight! Fight! Fight!"

Or, perhaps more insidiously, is someone trying to cause trouble for a freelance broadcaster who hasn't been on the radio for two years? It's not really adding to the gaiety of nations either way.

Good to see that the originator of this post has been a member of this forum for one hour and 39 minutes.

Did I gas some babies in a former life?

the 6Music message board has been shut down (temporarily) which means that the George Lamb thread (which, I believe, has over 10000 posts) has been lost in the ether?

Anyway, best of luck with the show, Andrew - I'll be tuning in (via iPlayer anyway, curse you, work!)

I may soon have to employ people to police this forum for damaging references to me.

I wonder if David Irving, Nick Griffin or Abu Hamza could recommend someone?

IN THE TAUPE CORNER WEIGHING IN AT ABOUT 12 STONE GIVE OR TAKE A STONE IS GEORGE 'GIVE ME A JOB ON SATURDAY NIGHT BBC ONE' LAMB ARMED WITH ONLY HIS GRECIAN 2000.

IN THE MAGNOLIA CORNER WEIGHING IN AT A BIT LESS THAN GEORGE IS ANDREW 'FLOATS LIKE A FEATHER STINGS LIKE A STINGING NETTLE' COLLINS ARMED WITH ONLY A WHEAT FREE CRACKER.

1. The original posting is neither controversial nor inflammatory, but simply a snippet of blog-relevant media news.

2. Not sure whether it is good form, Fraser, to openly reveal the pseudonyms of bloggers, even if they do piss you off. Or was this just a hunch?

3. This blog is at its worst when 'The Massive' closes ranks and collectively humiliates another blogger. Comments like Azeem's above are really quite unnecessary in the circumstances.

From Andrew's blog: 'the famous George Lamb thread (a snowballing lobby which had reached 11,370 posts), 10 regular users were responsible for nearly 7,000 posts. That's 10, ladies and gentlemen.'
I'm presuming it was vitriolic not complimentary, but that is a staggering stat either way.

... but when I heard the 6music messageboards were closed I had a look and saw that statistic quoted. It's pretty extraordinary but removing the whole board means no one can check if it's actually true anymore. We do only have the BBC's word.

And there are other George Lamb baiting petitions on the web and on facebook. I'm not sure that the same ten people are doing all of them. If they are then that's a bit sad. But then again he definately brings out the worst in me and I'd personally much rather have AC playing goth tunes on that slot than the braying mockney fool...

i looked at the 6 music blog.

1. what is special about this 6music programme
2. waht is the beef of the 6 music bloggers with lamb
3. what is the general objection with lamb ?

thanks

ever been on the receiving end of a thread such as this?

Read into that what you will.

Wished I had caught this thread earlier. I always enjoy Andrew giving as good as he gets. That's why he is always welcome and why the Massive like to parry the banter back and forth.

Of course we rightly show more respect to headmaster Hepworth, bow to the technical prowess of Fraser and marvel at the rare appearance of editor Ellen when he learns how to switch on his comptometer. There must be times though when young Andrew gets up in the morning, studies the latest blog postings and wonders..."why me?"

In fact - I'm one of the famous "ten" persistent bloggers over there. It was a campaign, and an onging debate. I posted a couple of times a day on average, , over 18 months. Seemed like a normal conversation on a relevant topic to me. But it suits the BBC to twist the figures to make it seem like a Denial of Service attack or something.

Anyhow, they closed the whole board now. Which given that 6music is currently undergoing a trustees review, is either Public Relations wisdom, or Public Relations suicide. I don't know.

Anyway - having declared my interest in this - I'm really posting to say: What's with all the sniping at Andrew?

I am VERY PLEASED that Andrew will be back on 6. His shows always were (and will be) excellent. I hop it becomes a regular thing.

I am also pleased that while away from 6music, Andrew felt able to comment from time to time on his experience at 6, and events/directions taken at the station.

I'm also not at all suprised that Andrew will not be making unguarded public comments about his employers bad points, while he is back on the payroll. We wouldn't expect it of any other employee in any other role. He has at least been perfectly open about this necessary compromise, on his blog.

And while I have your attention, my treacles: anyone with opinions about 6music, and its various shows, really should spend ten minutes telling the Trust what they think:

http://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-radio-2-and-...

Don't miss the opportunity. They won't ask again for another 5 years!

"(When I was a contracted BBC presenter I was bound by BBC presenter guidelines. Since March 2007, I have not been, and freedom of speech has been mine.)"

But after a quick search he also said this

http://www.wherediditallgoright.com/BLOG/2008/05/wham-bang-thank-you.htm...

"Although I'm no longer contracted by 6 Music - and still slightly aggrieved by the way my tenure there ended - I am on the subs' bench, so don't expect me to weigh in to this debate. In any case, I can't: I have only listened to George Lamb in the mid-morning slot twice, once on his first day, and for five minutes of his understandably priapic post-Sony show this morning. Then the iPlayer packed up. It's too noisy for me, that's all I'll say. He's clearly more suited to Radio 1, and I expect that's where he's headed, if not Radio 2, where most accredited 6 Music presenters end up. I don't feel that any radio station is aimed at me. I find the bulk of indie guitar music that fills the airwaves today sludgy and uninspiring, which is why I listen to Smooth FM.

I'm happy to host a debate on the subject of George Lamb here though."

So can he say what he wants or not? if he doesn't listen to George Lamb and we shouldn't expect him to "weigh in to this debate"how can he call him a "Ray Davies baiting Gypsy hating ****"?

Is it not better to say nothing at all about the place you work? or did work or might work in the future?

You said "I shall be filling in for George Lamb"

I said in the OP "Collins called him a ****" which you did

and "and now he's filling in" the same as what you said.

How these two facts can be wriiten about like this a bit OTT.

"By the way, my objection to the original post above was the simple fact that it seemed designed to make my life difficult on the BBC 6 Music subs bench, with great big pictures and an inflammatory subject line as if to whip up a storm in a teacup. All I wished to do with my response was to put the evidence in context, as the way it was presented by our 6 Music Message Boards refugee was as if I was taking over George Lamb's show, which I'm not. (When I was a contracted BBC presenter I was bound by BBC presenter guidelines. Since March 2007, I have not been, and freedom of speech has been mine.)

How would my message make it difficult on the subs bench?

You have written about George Lamb and 6Music on your blog, no-one forced you to and you called him what you called him.

The word blog is a bit more hidden away than a Comedy podcast recorded in front of radio industry types.

that the comments made at the radio presentation were in character with the Collings and Herrin podcasts, that everyone there and listening would have known that they were made in that context and that there is a clear and obvious difference between remarks made in the style of a deliberately confrontational comedy pairing and remarks AC might choose to make on his own blog when he is himself rather than an exagerated version thereof.

What next? Ian Hislop doesn't believe everything he says on HIGNFY shocker?

... but I also knew about the Ray Davis and gypsy baiting remarks. I read about it in Word in fact. It's perfectly possible for a non regular listener to know of this and to have an opinion. People, even people in the media who may work for 6music occasionally, are allowed to express those opinions as they wish.

As for your end remarks the BBC is a big place and everyone in the UK has an opinion on aspects of its content. The management are only too aware of this. There is things to dislike about the BBC, but generally they don't take it personally if one person who occasionally is on it is critical of an aspect of its policies or content. Paxman, Humphries, Dimbleby et al are constantly snarling on the record about news budget cuts for example, they still appear on air.

I understand your Lamb hatred, but this strange obsession with AC bewilders me I have to confess. You appear to be suggesting the he is a hypocrite for criticizing Lamb a while back for some quite specific offensive remarks he made on air while later on standing in as presenter for one show? Forgive me if I've grabbed the wrong end of the stick here but I think you're just plain wrong. And what would you prefer? More Lamb?

Your problem with Andrew Collins clearly transcends his comments about George Lamb.

So out with it. What IS it that's eating you up so much? I'd really like to know because this vitriol is really boring.

...host conversations about colleagues and the BBC on their own websites?

(Not Lee, it's just the way it landed.....)

The original poster is a WUM - and a tiresome one at that.

Way better than my mealy mouthed attempt...

..was good in Triangle.

...that Andrew Collins would receive more goodwill from folk on here if he 'joined in' on blog posts that weren't only about him (or started by Word staff).

And no-one on here listens to George Lamb anyway.

I quote: "It's like Andrew Collins sees himself as the man on the inside, friend of the listeners. Allowing a debate about how rubbish or not George Lamb is on his own website when the same person hired him as well as George isn't a good idea."

I am man on the inside, by definition of my job, and I also consider myself a friend of the listeners, in that I'm not an enemy of the listeners, and many people who comment on my blog used to listen to my show, when I had one, on 6 Music, so there is a certain affinity there, built up over five years. Sue me for that.

What's wrong with "allowing a debate"? I'm always very candid about why I can't always weigh into such a debate: I am a self-employed small businessman; some of my clients are the BBC. Even though I am no longer contracted by 6 Music, and haven't been since March 2007, I left there on good terms, and was at least initially invited back to "dep" (my first, post-contract dep was for George Lamb when he was in the evenings and offended nobody).

Due to various changes in management, I had rather assumed that I'd fallen off the end of the subs' bench. Fair enough. These things happen. People fall in and out of fashion. However, I was delighted to be asked back, and I'm looking forward to doing my three shows over the next week and a bit. Again, sue me.

You say: "Then I'm to blame apparently for making his life difficult on the subs bench when I have only reflected back what he has written and said."

You started a thread - and apparently set up a new account in order to do so - using great big photos of me and George Lamb and helpfully referring people to a remark I made in the context of a comedy podcast, which exists in the public domain, in full, but has had that one 37-second quote snipped out on YouTube by one of the anti-Lamb army. Nice work, Sherlock, as they say.

So, yes, I do blame you for trying to make my life difficult. I clearly offend you, and I'm tempted to apologise for that as I don't set out to offend (except, clearly, when I write about squirrels), but I still don't really know what it is that I've done that's so terrible.

I don't really know what to add, other than an apology to anybody here who probably wishes less threads were devoted to me. I don't start them. And I rarely finish them!

Andrew you should no by now the lamb hater,s will jump on the band waggon.

What's your view on the duck house?

I don't understand the furore that Andrew Collins seems to generate on this forum, this is the second or third row in as many months.

He's basically becoming a human BBC controversy magnate.

A man filled in for another man on a digital radio station. The world did not end.

I did expect it to be wall to wall goth sounds

let's make up and be friendly

that's as far as I went and no piercings or tattoos, to this very day

after the first few posts, so didn't read the rest.
I don't really listen to 6 music and I'm, frankly, amazed it can conjure up this amount of feeling.
However, I'm just wondering if anyone has made up a good "Lamb to the slaughter" pun about any potential future fisticuffs?
I love a good pun, me.

I can't listen to 6Music when George Lamb is on. I'd rather listen to Ken Bruce.

by The Feeling springs to mind.