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And the new presenter of Film 2010 is...
Posted by Five-Centres on 29 March 2010 - 12:25pm.
Claudia Winkleman!?
Was Mark Kermode busy?
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Claudia Winkleman!?
Was Mark Kermode busy?
Sorry what?
I'm sure she's perfectly nice, but I find her and her little girl mannerisms completely annoying.
Me too
She's too buy trying to be ironic. Perhaps we'll see a different side to her...
WHAT!!?!
I only listened to the Kermode/Mayo podcast last night where Kermode was insisting that it wouldn't be him. But secretly I was thinking they simply hadn't decided... Surely he would be ideal?
I don't really know much about Ms Winkleman, though I did see her peering out from behind her eyelashes on a sports relief dancing programme briefly. Does she have form when it comes to film? Is she a proper fan? Can she really be as good as Ross was, let alone as good as Kermode could have been?
Kermode is Fantastic. Love him.
But not right for that show.
The good doctor
You're right - as he said himself, for that show you need a mainstream sensibilty, and that's one thing Dr K hasn't got. Claudia Winkleman sounds an odd choice, but maybe she'll surprise everyone.
I have no strong opinion on Claudia Winkelman
but isn't it nice that a tv programme which is seen as a venerable British institution has taken on as it's new presenter someone who isn't male? And that in choosing a female presenter they have selected someone with many years of TV/ radio/ journalism experience? It'll never catch on, sadly.
They've been there, they've done that
Joan Bakewell, Maria Aitken & Tina Brown have all presented in the past, so not quite as groundbeaking as it may seem.
And YouTube-ing "Claudia Winkleman Oscar Red Carpet" might raise a few slight doubts about her journalistic expertise.
Fair point
though I never claimed it was ground-breaking. It is sadly still worthy of note when a female is chosen to present something like this.
And I did say experience, not expertise!
In the interests of balance
It wouldn't be healthy for MK to be presenting that show. He's pretty much the voice of the BBC as regards matters cinema already. We ought to have an alternative perspective.
Quite
and let's have the perspective of a panda-eyed light-entertainment stick insect for a change, instead of someone whose actually realised that films were being made: a) in other countries; and b)prior to 1989.
Tell you what, while we're looking for "alternatives", and while we're in the mood to annihilate anything that has the whiff of an informed opinion, why not have Charlotte Church present "The Sky At Night" as well? Or Toby Anstis at the helm of a new version of "Ways Of Seeing"? How about doe-eyed platitudinologist and grandma's favourite Aled Jones presenting "The Nazis: A Warning From History" on ice?
And if you don't like it, well tough. You can always subscribe to another broadcasting service instead.
Hang on...
So you have to look a certain way to be taken seriously?
Oh dear...
Perhaps if she was ugly, with baggy clothes and no make-up her opinions would be worth listening to?
I also suspect Claudia may have a rather broader cultural sweep than you give her credit for. It would hardly be right for her to start enumerating the merits of Kurosawa during a discussion of last night's foxtrot debacle on It Takes Two, would it?
(On a side note - wouldn't Foxtrot Debacle be a brilliant band name?!)
That's quite a reaction, Pax
Has Ms. Winkleman wronged you in some way?
The BBC have decided to award the job to someone who wasn't your first choice (nor mine, incidentally), but someone who has experience presented programs on the arts. She may be a bit "light entertainment" on, shock horror, light entertainment shows, but that doesn't mean she can't bring some gravitas to Film 2010. I mean, Jonathan Ross is an insufferable plank on his chat show, but I always thought he came across rather well on the film show, even though I rarely agreed with his point of view.
Coming up next, The Fall, but first, Foxtrot Debacle, three more from them...
If she were ugly/baggy
If she were ugly/baggy clothed/didn't wear makeup you wouldn't have seen her on TV in the first place, unless she did comedy or was a failed contestant on one of the talent shows. Whoever she was related to.
Charlotte Church doing Sky At Night?
Could work. She knows Tom Jones, Kelly Jones, Catherine Zeta Jones and Aled Jones. They're all stars.
And she certainly does have a heavenly body.
Blimey...
OK, open disclosure, I can't stand the woman, an opinion only compounded by my nepotism radar twitching madly whenever Eve Pollard's daughter appears on-screen.
Phrased so that this doesn't become an anti-BBC rant, why do all the channels insist on drawing from such a small pool of presenting talent? When this job came up, did they just go "Right, who's on contract? Graham Norton... Adrian Chiles... Paxo... ah, Claudia Winkleman, perfect!"
Yes, let's give her a chance, but my prediction is at the Andi Peters/TOTP end of the spectrum...
To be fair to Claudia
while her TV work may have been at the lighter end of the entertainment spectrum, she does present The Arts Show on Radio 2.
Moi aussi...
I was disgruntled to find out recently that she was Eve Pollard's daughter, which doesn't, in itself, make her a willing recipient of any level of nepotism, but does cast a shadow over the whole presenting thing in my view.
The final say will come down to
a) does she have the credentials to this job and
b) can she prove it on screen
To be honest, I haven't watched Film 2*** since I started listening religiously to Kermode and Mayo's podcast about 3 years ago. Kermode not right, somehow, for the TV show, though.
Small pool
Spot on in your observation that they draw from such a small pool of talent.
The question is, in this time of cost savings, why do we need Film 2010?
If I want to known about the film there are now so many more opportunities to do so compared to when Barry Norman started it. I mean, could even read The Word.
The depressing trend with talent like Ms Winkleman is just the continuation of what we had with Ross. Gone are the days when people actually learned journalism and refined their critical skills.
Now it's just "well, I don't like it" rather than a proper discussion and criticism where personal prejudices are better hidden.
Anyway, I'm sure she'll do fine reading autocue with no one watching
I'd long given up watching
as the BBC buried it in the late-night schedule, but Ross at least gave genre films a chance, something that Norman in his pomposity NEVER did. Hopefully Winkers will maintain this healthy balance. Angie Errigo is another name I'd have considered.
Kermode is fine where he is, and he knows it. He can say what he likes without being censored and that works for his (growing?) audience.
I always had a problem with Ross doing the show
even though he clearly watched a lot of movies. He totally finished me with his review of Kevin Smith's Clerks II* where, fair enough, he didn't like the film and said so in pretty blunt terms. But that wasn't enough. He then felt the need to pile in and badmouth the guy's whole career. It just made JR look a bit petty and vindictive, really.
As for Winlkeman? Well, I've always found her a bit ho-hum. She's fairly bland and nondescript on her Friday night Radio 2, just jarring sometimes with that slightly over the top puppyish sort of enthusiasm she displays. She's not awful by any means but I don't think I'll be rushing to watch Film 2010 when September comes around.
* disclaimer - I generally like Kevin Smith films
From time to time...
...I listen to her arts show on Radio 2 on a Friday night. It is halfway to being intelligent and certainly belies the little girl image that comes through on TV. I'm not sure that we all thought Ross would be any good when he took over, so I'll give her a chance - just the one mind!
Hmmm
I've never heard her arts show. The thing about her that annoys is that she's obviously intelligent. But why does she insist on the school girl persona!?!?
I guess it does work for some people...
Meanwhile, I liked Ross as a choice for the show. Perhaps because I knew he was a film fanatic. I trusted his judgement quite a lot.
Thing is though, I can't think of many mainstream presenters who I would put on the show...at least it's not Myleene...
I do believe
that her half sister, Sophie, recently married Lord Freddie Windsor so perhaps HRH had a hand in this?
I knew this was how this thread would
start. Not "oh great the BBC taken on someone enthusiastic and intelligent to present a mainstream film show". I like Claudia she seems to take popular entertainment with the seriousness and lightness it deserves. As to who she's related to, none of us can do anything about that.
I like Kermode but it will be good to have someone not so obsessed with horror films review the latest releases for a change. I think it's a good decision over all.
Personally I don't mind her
but she's the last person I'd ever have imagined doing Film 2010.
Perhaps that's a good thing.
We should bear in mind, Chris G, that not everyone you hold dear is everyone's else's cup of tea, and vice versa.
Don't bleed on her behalf. She can take it.
wasn't bleeding on her behalf
whatever that means just think she's a good choice. Nowadays anyone the Beeb puts forward as replacement for any existing star gets such a panning (I know you weren't doing this directly) it's quite just odd.
She's got the job
And there's nothing you or I can do about it.
I admit she grates on me but I say give the woman a chance to not grate by presenting a worthwhile and informative review show instead of some jelly-headed schedule filler.
She may be under contract along with all the other gurning ninnies we see but I assume some sort of audition process took place. She must have some suitability.
Kermode
said he was never up for it, never wanted it and they would never give it to him as sure as he'd never take it
"I'd have to pretend the best film of last year was Avatar and not a Swedish vampire film. And that the best film of the last ten years wasn't a fantasy film set during the Spanish Civil War"
The point of Film 20nwhatecver seems to be pretty much seeing the good in anything even the most wretched rom-com starring Jennifer Aniston.
If he had more of a profile they would have given it to James King as he's mini Kermode with mainstream sensibilities
Hello Mark if you're reading this as we know you lurk. And hello to Jason Issacs
My reading of the situation...
... is different to yours.
I think that if Kermode had been offered it, he would have snatched it with both hands. Then, of course, he would have done it his way, and thats why they didn't offer it to him.
He gave an interview with Mark Lawson on this very subject, and talked about how he used to watch the programme all the time as a young man, arguing with Barry Norman constantly. He said that the idea of him doing it seemed incredible, literally, in that he didn't believe he would be offerred it. Thats different from never wanting it.
I haven't missed a Kermode film review for almost five years, and I'm delighted he's staying put.
Last Friday
Kermode did a long rant (Angus Deyton: "no change there") about it and actually said that he wouldn't want it if they offered it him.
He simply couldn't do the type of criticism we all (well, some of us) love him for in that format. Not that he isn't positive and enthusiastic about films he loves but he is equally enthusiastic when damning films he doesn't. That would possibly effect the guests that programme and BBC chatshows could book.
The show is so far back in the schedules to be invisible anyway. I assume they may move it earlier in the evening.
I did hear Kermode and Mayo
And I just had a little listen again on the podcast. Here is (in my opinion) a representative sample of what he was saying.
"I'm not doing film 2010... i've never been doing it... it's not true that the BBC has been grooming me... i never expected them to ask me about it... it requires a mainstream sensibility... can all the papers please stop saying that they're going to give it to me."
None of that says that he wouldn't do it if they offerred it to him. On Front Row, about a month earlier, Mark was asked whether he would accept it if it was offerred. He said:
"I grew up watching Barry Norman pronounce about movies, and arguing with the television [when he was on]... the very fact that I'm being written about as considered to be in that chair is on the one hand deeply flattering, and the other hand utterly ludicrous."
We're both playing at reading into his words here, which is a tricky business. But I don't aggree with you - he would have accepted it if they offered it to him, and done it his way. Hence, they didn't offer it to him.
Fine by me.
So, it turns out I do have strong opinions on Claudia Winkelman.
For those complaining about her little girl mannerisms and schoolgirl persona, maybe she really is full of wide-eyed enthusiasm. Just because world-weary cynicism is the preferred style round here, doesn't make it the only available way to look at the world.
Or, if we want to think of the more cynical option, maybe she made a choice when she started her career. After all women, especially in the media, tend to be divided by the world around them into neat categories and if you are intelligent with strong opinions they tend not to be very complimentary.
The fact that she's a woman is not the issue
If it had been Vernon Kay I'd still be asking the same question.
Indeed
but some others have commented on why they find her irritating, and made mention of her particular form of 'girlishness'.
I no massive Winkleman fan
but what's the poor woman done to justify being compared to Vernon "guess what, I'm from Boltooooon" Kay?!
It was a name
plucked at random from today's shallow pool of presenters.
I'm just glad it's not Dermot O'Leary.
To clarify
I have no problem with Claudia because she is a woman. I have a problem with the way she comes across. I find it deeply irritating that she behaves on other shows like she is a girl of schoolgoing age when she is about the same age as me. She doesn't behave like a schoolboy. It's nothing to do with wide-eyed enthuasiasm. That wouldn't irritate me.
Jonathan Ross behaves like a sniggering schoolboy and I wish he would stop doing that. Would that lead you to believe that I have a problem with men?
I didn't say you had a problem with women
or at least I didn't mean to. I was trying to convey that perhaps either she had a different personality to the prevailing temperament on this blog, or she chose to portray herself in this way for career benefit.
No problem
I was simply clarifying my earlier statements in order to avoid any offence.
She may be like that naturally, she may also present that face to the world. She may also, like people I've known who had parents working in the same field, simply be in some form of arrested development because mum and dad work in a similar field and are known as their mum or dad.
And...
Vernon Kay would have deserved the question even more. After all, while he has served time as a presenter to my knowledge he has never done an arts/ culture programme? Though as I am thankfully not an expert in the career of Vernon Kay, I am happy to be corrected.
I'm sure he'd text you
if you asked nicely ;)
Hahaha!
And also - EW!
If anyone (aside from Vernon Kay and Vernon Kay's mum)...
were 'an expert on the career of Vernon Kay', I would be deeply concerned for their mental well-being.
Just the wrong person
Gauntlet,
While I agree it's dreadful that women are categorised unfairly in the media - Claudia Winkleman displays neither intelligence nor strong opinions through her bouts of mugging gormlessly and reading autocue on Strictly Come Dancing or being Steve Jones' stooge on Sport Relief.
Her bezzie mate Victoria Coren would have been brilliant as would Lauren Laverne who has begun to tame the annoying 'head twitching denoting latent irony' which had afflicted her until recently.
Although a tad high brow and left field what about the likes of Verity Sharp, Caitlin Moran, Jude Rogers of this parish as example?
Nothing to do with her being a woman, just that she's not very good.
My sister, however worships at the feet of la Winkleman.
Oh that would be brilliant...
I would (almost literally) kill to see Lauren, Caitlin and Jude on primetime BBC1. *starts writing pitch for dream tv show*
(And for the avoidance of doubt, while I seem to be defending her like she was a blood relative or something, I am not actually a massive fan of Ms Winkelman's work.)
The day Caitlin Moran
appears on mainstream primetime telly, is the day I blow the set away with a shotgun. Then
myself.
Claudia, I'm OK with.
:-)
Um, that's quite extreme.
Each to their own, and all that. But what on earth has Ms Moran done to you? I can only imagine she murdered your children or something...
Alright...
I'd spare myself. But would need to be without access to a TV until she was off air again. Possibly in a remote island community.
Old CatMo......
I liked in my youth - not sure her columns are now particularly enlightening but would make great TV. Get CatMo, Barbara Ellen, Jude and Lauren fronting a grown up edition of The Word (Terry Christian version)
She is a talent vacuum.
I loathe her.
More of the same
There's going to be about five people who present everything on TV in exactly the same style - like the skit on the Impressions Show when Winkleman and Davina McCall meet.
So is her radio 2 show any good then?
Might iplayer it. Just listening to her being interviewed by Richard Bacon, and she seems alright, if slightly too obsessed with saying how many films she watches.
I had the impression she was another Tess Daly/Philip Schofield type; if she's from the Ross/Kermode/Laverne school of enthusiasts then I can't complain. Also interesting that they're turning it into more of a magazine-style panel show.
It's very mainstream in a
It's very mainstream in a populist and shallow way, I'm afraid. However, as Dr K said on the Kermode & Mayo podcast last week, Film 2010 is a mainstream, populist BBC 1 show. They were never going to ask him because they simply don't want a presenter who will tell the audience that the 3D is a passing fad and not the future of cinema, that the best film of last year wasn't Smurfahontas but a low budget Swedisn vampire movie and that Michael Bay can't direct films for toffee!
Richard n Claudia
there's a talent vacuum right there. If Tara Palmer Thingee walked in the studio Radio 5 would be sucked in on itself.
Listened to Bacon's show from the Teenage Cancer Trust gigs last week and the only decent bit of interviewing was whenj guest Jimmy Carr quizzed some of the kids with great sensitivity and interest. Bacon is completely out of his depth in anything more than a puddle.
I guess that Winkleman's 'Film' show is going to be like her Oscar coverage show by the sound of it.
In the absence of a young Clive James it should have been....
God bless CB
but he's somewhat backed himself into a corner when it comes to being positive he's never entirely believeable when praising anything, he always seems to be on the cusp of saying "if you like that sort of thing"
Oh, I don't know
I've read plenty of Brooker where his praise is entrirely sincere and you can tell. The stuff he did when Oliver Postgate died, talking about this man being the creator of many of the sounds of his childhood, was really quite genuinely moving, and it managed to stir many of the same memories in me. His Gameswipe was great too, where he rhapsodised over the original experience of playing Castle Wolfenstein.
I think it's sad that CB has been tarred with the conventional wisdom brush that paints him as a one-note misanthrope. There's much more to him than that. He's pretty much the first thing I look for in Monday's Grauniad (even though he's not there today, Michael Hannn's stand-in columnn is actually rather good).
That's the Brooker misconception in a nutshell
People think he's a complete misanthrope, but you couldn't write what he writes without having a genuine love of the subject. The fact he loves TV so much means he's far more upset and full of righteous anger when programs are made without care and heart.
The Brooker Misconception
That's another fine band name, right there.
Or maybe the title of a Film Noir.
She's Been
on "Have I got News For You" a few times (Has she been the compere?), and I thought she was really funny; many of the gusts are cannon fodder for Merton and Hislop wheras CW has held her own against them as far as I recall.
I like her
so I'll be watching.
I haven't watched Film *insert year here*
For about ten years, and don't care either way. And I'm almost amazed, in an age when hundreds of reviews are within reach via the web, and that you can watch any trailer via YouTube or wherever, that this appointment should be greeted with any fuss at all. Are people still watching? And if so, why?
Not me.
Haven't watched Film *insert year here* for years myself. But if in this multimedia age the BBC are going to continue to make this weird anachronism of a programme, then I shall continue to defend (to the death, apparently) the right of Claudia Winkelman to present it!
horses mouth
Ms Winkleman speaks via twitter:
"..... won't just be me. will be with clever critics. roll on September."
New format
As Fraser pointed out, it is an anachronistic show in the modern age - mind, just because I can see a trailer on YouTube doesn't mean I'll go and see it.
I don't use them as a guide, but I still like hearing what journos (sorry, D Hepworth - Twitter joke) have to say about films.
But at least the BBC are updating Film 2010 and are taking it away from one bloke pronouncing his views on a movie and doing all the interviews. That was the key reason why it was anachronistic.
She'll be a great chairman of a board of critics which will hopefully include, as name checked by Johan somewhere here, Francine Stock of Radio 4.
Where's Tom Brooke gone? His Film 20whatever and BBC News 24 shows from NYC were brilliant.
It seems to me
that she'll be to film what Richard and Judy were to Literature,fine if you like it dumbed down.Snobbish? Maybe.As long as I can continue to find a more illuminated opinion each to their own.Never could stand Ross or Norman,It just seems a shame that the B.B.C. have settled for a minor celeb again instead of someone with a background in film who might have raised the bar a little.Oh Well.
So it'll be
a Late Review type format with Ms W chiming in with 'now we LOVE Keira Knightly, don't we?' every now and again.
the only film review show I could ever stick was Johnny vaughan's which just had Joe Public (often students) on reviewing and snappy pieces by Vaughan in between. Was it called 'Moviewatch'?
She's got one huge thing going for her..
..she's not J Ross.
Kermode, Collins and Winkerman
Two things struck me upon hearing this news.
First, would it be possible to film the Mayo/Kermode radio show that everyone raves about and edit that into a new-style film review show?
Second, you gotta feel sorry for someone like Andrew Collins. He clearly knows his onions re:film. Clearly it must be deemed that he doesn't have the look for TV.
Finally, Claudia is better now she has stopped impersonating Davina McCall, but she is still too lightweight and gushing to make any critical analysis. And what the f*ck does she know about film heritage anyway?
Andrew Collins
I would like him to have been given a crack at it.
Or how about Francine Stock? Her Radio 4 film show is excellent and she obviously knows her stuff.
On reading the story, my first thought was...
... ‘What are her film reviewing credentials?' and I couldn’t think of any.
Next point, I saw was that she’d done interviews on the red carpet for the BAFTA’s, and that made me nervous. A qualification like that would make me an expert in banking as I walk past a branch of HSBC every day.
Reading on, and it all fell into place – they are giving the show a new look. One presenter and experts to do the reviewing. That means she can do the red carpet style interviews of the stars and be all nice to them, while the critics can lay the boot in (depending I suppose on who these critics are).
I’ll watch the first one to see how it’s being done – but I’m a little sceptical.
She has
very big eyes, and could probably take in at least three films a day without blinking. Maybe that's why she got the gig?
Good call...
... I think she looks like a cross between an afghan hound puppy and a heavily mascara'd cat, and on this basis alone, I'm prepared to give her a chance.
I think she's lovely
so I'll be watching. She'll be on telly talking about films made for a mass audience, it's not like they've asked her to present something important like Match Of The Day. Tsh, you guys!
I just wish she'd get her hair cut properly.
Mind you, I've being saying that about Kermode for years, so what do I know?
Claudia Who Cares?
I don't believe this. A bunch of old farts arguing about whether some bimbo should present a TV programme about films that no one ever watches on purpose anyway.
I genuinely don't understand why the fuss
Claudia is funny and intelligent and already presents arts programming. (actually I have quite a girl crush on Claudia, I think she's really lovely.)
From the responses, you'd have thought BBC appointed Fearne Cotton & George Lamb...
Sssh!
Don't give them any help Hannah or they will be shoe-horned into Newsnight before you can say "Beam me up Scotty".