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Amy Winehouse RIP

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What can be said when the inevitable happens?

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I was listening to Tony Bennett last night, singing her praises

on Front Row. Very sad.

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davebigpicture | 23 July 2011 - 5:45pm

sad

Just Sad...

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simontyler | 23 July 2011 - 5:47pm

Inevitable

As you say Grant there's a horrible inevitably about this news, but it's no less sad as a consequence.

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Red Umpire | 23 July 2011 - 5:49pm

At 27

she's part of that 'stupid club'

Terribly, terribly sad. Where was her support network?

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jimmyshoes01 | 23 July 2011 - 5:51pm

Agreed

Not the sort of thread where up-arrows are appropriate, but this post captures my thoughts exactly.

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StuartReeves | 23 July 2011 - 5:58pm

This news hasn't even been officially confirmed...

at yet the BBC is already discussing whether she is "one of the greats" and when her posthumous third album will be released. I know this is a major news story, but the rabid haste with which the media will undoubtedly jump on it and try to fix her place in pop history leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion.

The frenzy around her will go into overdrive now, only this time (it seems) she won't have to try to deal with it.

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Patrick Crowther | 23 July 2011 - 6:27pm

Another talent goes to waste

I´m sad, but even more upset.

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Ola Claesson | 23 July 2011 - 5:57pm

What can you say.

Even with her reported troubles, still a shocker. Too young. Very sad news.

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kidpresentable | 23 July 2011 - 5:57pm

What a waste of a huge talent

But as you say, it was only a matter of time.

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Five-Centres | 23 July 2011 - 5:57pm

This sure has been

a day for bad news.

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happy harry | 23 July 2011 - 5:58pm

Terribly sad news

What a voice, what a talent, but what a mess. Poor woman.

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Slotbadger | 23 July 2011 - 6:01pm

Just very very sad news

....

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art vanderlay | 23 July 2011 - 6:02pm

The 27 club

How very sad. If it's an overdose I hope whoever first introduced her to that vile stuff rots.

Poor girl.

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Em | 23 July 2011 - 6:05pm

That really is sad

I'm not entirely sure why, but I always thought she'd get back on the straight and narrow somehow. Such a tragic waste of a young life.

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Joe R | 23 July 2011 - 6:09pm

Yes. Me Too.

I had visions of her being a Molly Parkin type many years from now.

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Mike_H | 23 July 2011 - 7:52pm

And me.

I never really expected her to die for some reason, imagining instead that the aforementioned support network would see her through it all.

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Prestonia | 25 July 2011 - 9:58am

Thanks for the music, Amy...

Just listening to Back to Black. What a great artist. What a tragic loss. Remember her for the music, not for her sad decline.

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Paul Dennehy | 23 July 2011 - 6:10pm

So sorry

Where were her friends?So very sad.

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stevieblunder | 23 July 2011 - 6:15pm

tragically

Friends can't save a person with an addiction problem, all they can do is keep hoping that the person will want to get clean and that when the desire to be clean has become the stronger pull they'll try and try and try every minute until they are clean and then try and try and try to stay that way.

Loving and supporting your addicted friend sometimes isn't enough...

I think there will be people labelled as 'friends' who were enablers of her various addictions, the ones who scored for her, fixed for her and told her it was all fine and ok.

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Em | 23 July 2011 - 6:40pm

Bloody Hell.

What a stupid, stupid, waste. Poor girl.

You can only help people who want to be helped. Drugs and alcohol is a total pig to treat, and whatever mental health problems she may have had, until such time as she seriously addressed her alcohol problems the risks to her life and health were always going to be enormous. And now she's done it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

The lesson? The Priory Is Very Bad For Your Health.

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itfc1959 | 23 July 2011 - 6:19pm

was with you all the way

until the last line. I know of a lot of people for whom the Priory has been a life saver or a life changer. I think it depends on the individual and whether they have 'hit rock bottom' or not.

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badartdog | 23 July 2011 - 6:32pm

Absolutely

An ex FPO of mine is alive today because The Priory gave her the means to get her life back on track.

Having supportive family and friends certainly helps, but the only person that can get them better is the addict themselves.

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fortuneight | 23 July 2011 - 7:00pm

Absolutely again

The Priory, at its many different sites, provides all manner of treatments for those willing to commit; I know several people who wouldn't be with us now had it not been for their time there.
Deeply sad news.

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Mensi | 23 July 2011 - 7:20pm

Anecdotal vs. Emprical Evidence: That Old Chestnut

If people have been helped by the treatment they have received, then I'm very glad to hear it.

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itfc1959 | 24 July 2011 - 8:03am

Tragic

and whats particularly sad is that we'll remember her most for for the bad stuff.

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el toro calvo grande | 23 July 2011 - 6:19pm

The most naturally gifted

British pop musician of her time. What a terrible shame.

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Pax Romana | 23 July 2011 - 6:21pm

I'll remember her for

the great music she produced, but what a tragic waste of a very special talent. I feel so sorry for her family.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 23 July 2011 - 6:23pm

great shame

Its always a shame when someone dies so young whatever the reason or the circumstance. She seems to have become such an unhappy soul

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cradlerock | 23 July 2011 - 6:34pm

shellshocked

Like Joe above, I really did think she'd get it together in the end. Poor girl.

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Vorgongod | 23 July 2011 - 6:48pm

Up until recent events on the continent..

.. I thought she was pulling herself together.

Great Voice - terrible shame. I hope she is remembered for her music rather than the press whirlwind that seemed to surround her.

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the mvps | 23 July 2011 - 6:49pm

Not a surprise

as many have said. I feel deeply sorry for her family - her Dad really tried to keep her away from the bad influences that were destroying her. There must be a lot of people out there who should feel ashamed of themselves - no doubt many of them will class themselves as friends. You had a great voice Amy.

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Steve Turner | 23 July 2011 - 6:50pm

That'll be the same dad

that tried to launch a career as a crooner on the back of his daughter's fame then. He'd have been a better father keeping himself and his daughter OUT of the Limelight.

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grac | 23 July 2011 - 8:17pm

Sorry Grac

but I dont agree with your comments at all. Her Dad was not the one who put her in the limelight nor was her dad the one who fed her addiction. He may have been wrong to publicly attempt to get her off that shit but unfortunately we are not given a manual when our kids are born. I understand also that he was a singer before she was born - I doubt he would be the first to use the fame of a family member to give his own career a push - just ask the offspring of Dylan, Wainwright, Thompson, Earle etc.

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Steve Turner | 24 July 2011 - 9:47am

I kind of agree with you Steve

but where was he this weekend? Playing gigs in America. If he was that concerned wouldn't he make sure he was around after the debacle and obvious meltdown in Serbia? Not having a go at him but do think he used the publicity his daughter was getting for his own ends. Doesn't make him a bad dad but nor does it mark him out as dad of the year either.

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grac | 24 July 2011 - 1:55pm

Addict's don't just damage themselves

They often inflict great damage on friends and family. I don't claim to be any kind of expert but I do know that trying to manage someone else's addiction is futile, until they themselves want some help. I think both her father and her record company tried to help on several occasions, but it looks like Amy wasn't ready.

From today's Observer

Amy's mother Janis, speaking in 2008: "I have known for a long time that my daughter has problems. We're watching her kill herself slowly. It's like watching a car crash – this person throwing these gifts away. I've already come to terms with her dead. I've steeled myself to ask her on what ground she wants to be buried, in which cemetery."

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fortuneight | 24 July 2011 - 3:57pm

he was a father

no more no less. always had time for a word in the Paxton at spurs but hey I tend to take people as i find them

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gaz | 27 July 2011 - 9:01pm

It's really weird

That people keep blaming the mysterious 'people around her' and 'hangers on' but not Winehouse herself. Her death is terribly sad, but she's as much to blame as any of her drug buddies.

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Spartacus Mills | 24 July 2011 - 10:14am

I find it strange

That people have to apportion blame at all. No matter who the person or whatever the circumstances can't we just be sad about a tragic loss and let the dust settle, let those who are grieving grieve, and leave the inquests and recriminations until later.

RIP Amy

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Neil Dyson | 24 July 2011 - 11:33am

Well said.

Why must someone always be to blame?

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sourdust | 25 July 2011 - 3:32am

Why?

because she criminally squandered her own talent/career and has literally pissed away the last five years.

She should have been making fine records and giving great live performances instead of simply appearing on the covers of endless gossip mags as "troubled singer Amy".

I'd say she was wholly to blame for the way things turned out.

That said, it's all very sad and a tragic waste.

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mojoworking | 25 July 2011 - 6:24am

Thing is...

it was *her* life, and how she chose to spend it. And we're all entitled to do what we want with our lives, even if it's not what others would want, even if it seems to be a terrible waste.

I just don't see why the whole issue of blame has to arise. We're free to squander our own lives & talent as we feel fit.

I've got a personal slant on this one, I guess. I lost someone I loved very much to suicide. And suicide's a choice that many people feel is a terrible waste of a life (and I'd argue that drug addiction is a slow form of suicide). But still, I don't blame him at all, I just felt (and still feel) desperately sorry for him.

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Hannah | 25 July 2011 - 8:09am

It may have been *her* life

but how she chose to live it ultimately caused a great deal of hurt and heartache to those around her.

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mojoworking | 25 July 2011 - 8:32am

Addiction and depression

On the scale she experienced is an illness, a disorder. It's not something you necessarily "choose".

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Bela Legosis Dad | 25 July 2011 - 8:49am

To be fair

I wasn't attempting to apportion blame, just saying how odd I find it that others blame 'the people around her' but never Amy herself.

You're right though, this isn't a time for recrimination.

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Spartacus Mills | 25 July 2011 - 11:43am

The NME site might want to...

remove the 'BUY TICKETS' box under its announcement of her death.

It now has. Thankfully.

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Patrick Crowther | 23 July 2011 - 7:02pm

Hugely saddening news

although it felt horribly inevitable. 27 is no age to die.

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Hannah | 23 July 2011 - 7:05pm

So sad

In an era stuffed with nonentities and manufactured fakes she really was the real thing. Great voice, great presence, wrote great songs, and seemed to have genuine roots in her music rather than mouthing whatever this week's star producer told her to say. What a loss. I'm going to a party tonight and will take "Back to black" just in case they don't have it, as it should be played everywhere tonight. I think her idiot husband should carry much of the responsibility for this sad loss.

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Twangothan | 23 July 2011 - 7:06pm

Couldn't agree more strongly..

with the whole thrust of your post. Very well said. She was in a special mould of singers we get a handful of in a lifetime.

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Declan | 25 July 2011 - 3:28pm

Remember her this way

I felt as if I'd been winded when I read about this on the bus. I can understand why some people are saying "it was only a matter of time", but I didn't think that way. I wondered how long it might take before some kind of turnaround, certainly thought her voice might be shot for good, speculated that perhaps she would write songs for Dionne Bromfield; I didn't think it would end like this, so soon.

Here's the wonderful, wonderful Take The Box, from her debut. I think it's her best song, and what a vocal. I'll try to remember her talent and vibrancy.

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Rosbif | 23 July 2011 - 7:08pm

As has been said elsewhere

its not the friends, family etc that are responsible - in fact its her as an addict, in the end all that love doesn't help - but whoever kept letting her go out onstage of late smashed out of her head to be booed and jeered. Its a sad old story that the music biz is seemingly only too happy to repeat.

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DogFacedBoy | 23 July 2011 - 7:09pm
Fuzzy | 23 July 2011 - 7:15pm

Was watching the ITunes

Was watching the ITunes Seasick Steve Concert on my itouch when an announcement flashed up from CNN - this was the moment when you remember how technology drives events nowadays.

Although sad - not surprising - her life in the last 2-3 years has been marked by advances and setbacks. It a pity that someone with so much talent ended it this way.

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andrewdavidlong | 23 July 2011 - 7:18pm

Little to add that hasn't already been said

Extremely sad. I didn't know the real person but she added much to the spirit of rock n roll. Only saw her live once at a large festival performance. There was something electric about her that made everyone take notice. I can't think of another performer currently working who could have that effect on a huge crowd.

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Martin Simmonds | 23 July 2011 - 7:22pm

Not this way

Like others, I felt that she would emerge from the problems she had and go on to a long career - even going on to become a national treasure, not dissimilar from, say, Elton John. On a chat show 20 years hence where she talks about her life and her triumph over darkness. It was not to be and that is extraordinarily sad. All, and that is no small thing, that is left, is her music. Frank hinted at the talent and Back To Black was its subversive and phenomenal realisation.

Whatever peace there is in death - a death that seemed self-ordained and yet escapable - may she find it.

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Sheev | 23 July 2011 - 10:52pm

I share all the thoughts

I share all the thoughts here. It's always seemed sad to me that Rehab is seen as a song about drug or alcohol abuse, when it is transparently a song about depression - which no doubt contributed to drug and alcohol abuse, and to today's terrible news.

It's so easy to write bad songs about personal stuff, and so hard to make yourself tell the truth. I think she told the truth. She was a writer as well as a singer, and I really believe some of the songs will be taken up and reinterpreted and survive us all.

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Kevin_McGee | 23 July 2011 - 7:57pm

The lyrics

to "Rehab" are more horribly ironic today than before.

Dreadful waste.

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KDH | 23 July 2011 - 8:03pm

so sad

I think this seems to fit the mood

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Sid Williams | 23 July 2011 - 8:15pm

this is how i'll always remember her

An amazing live performances of this song - I remember watching it live & being blown away. One of the happiest I have ever seen her look on stage too.

A real shame that the tabloids who hounded her will now be leading the tributes & taking no shred of responsibility for this tragedy!

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seanioio | 25 July 2011 - 10:07am

Terrible weekend for news

feel so very very sorry for her Dad. The interview with him where he is almost begging people to not give her so much as a cigarette is heart breaking.

The enablers should be haunted by the hounds of hell.

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waldorf | 23 July 2011 - 8:24pm

Just a massive shame

My thoughts go out to her family.

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badger_king | 23 July 2011 - 8:36pm

We love the idea

of the rock 'n'roll casualty. We love our Keefs and Ronnies. We kneel at the altars of Jimi and Janis and Jim. In an age where we still cling to the romantic idea of excess but decry those those that actually follow the path to eternal rest where do we lay the laurels of our morals? Those that cling on or those that pass on?

Sixty years from the birth of rock music and the rules are still hazy at best.

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jimmyshoes01 | 23 July 2011 - 8:43pm

@ badger_king mine go out

to Norway

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Meat Whiplash | 23 July 2011 - 8:46pm

It really doesn't have to be either/or..

We can wish well to all those who suffer.

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Mensi | 23 July 2011 - 8:54pm

Ewww my bad

a trainwreck of a life stacked up against an awful lot of young innocent lives...

I think not

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Meat Whiplash | 23 July 2011 - 9:55pm

It's not a contest

And it's not unreasonable to extend sympathy to a family who've lost their daughter, whatever you think of the daughter's lifestyle.

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Bela Legosis Dad | 23 July 2011 - 10:35pm

Didn't realise we were playing

"Tragedy Top Trumps" in which case the Somalian famine wins because 11 million people might die in that.

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Dr Volume | 24 July 2011 - 8:01pm

Surely sympathy is not finite?

However, I suspect you might be one of those “trolls” that I have heard of – I should, therefore, not bite…

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Railroad Bill | 23 July 2011 - 10:03pm

If by 'troll' you mean

someone looking to spark up a fight then no, what I have posted are my actual feelings.
They don't seem to fit with the general vibe, but they are how I feel.

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Meat Whiplash | 23 July 2011 - 10:15pm

but it is possible to care and feel touched

by two events at the same time. It isn't a grief competition.

Unless you are making a satirical Chris Morris-like 'Good Aids\Bad Aids' comparison.

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DogFacedBoy | 23 July 2011 - 10:26pm

Fair enough

I would actually agree with you - if it 'was' a choice between giving my sympathy to the victims in Norway 'or' Ms Winehouse... I just don't think it is... apologies though, for the name calling - 'my bad'(?)

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Railroad Bill | 23 July 2011 - 10:27pm

thanks Bill

@DFB, I feel no grief about AW, sorry

I'll shut up now

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Meat Whiplash | 23 July 2011 - 10:29pm

Meat has the right to express...

....his thoughts, but why would anyone up someone saying they didn't care about the death of an individual.

I can see this thread, what should have been a simple way to show respect for a passing musician on a, predominantly music based site, going the way of too many others recently and it doesn't seem appropriate.

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art vanderlay | 24 July 2011 - 12:41am

I'm surprisingly upset...

... at the thought of this amazingly talented young life, who by any applicable human standard had Everything To Live For, yet still pissed it away. A dreadful shame, hopefully someone somewhere will learn something from this.

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Metal Mickey | 23 July 2011 - 10:04pm

I can add nothing.

Not even up arrows. What a terrible shame.

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ganglesprocket | 23 July 2011 - 10:28pm

Just an awful weekend

and two stories that question our ability to fight the war against terror and the war against drugs. Tragic in its truest sense.

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Dave Amitri | 23 July 2011 - 11:18pm

"war on terror" ?

The reporting seems to be suggesting he was a "home grown" and a neo-nazi to boot. Which was actually my first thought when I heard the news - bomb at government party's office - not parliament, and then the appalling attack on a government party politcal youth camp pretty much confirmed that.

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Slick | 23 July 2011 - 11:26pm

To assume

makes an ass of u and me. I haven't read beyond the headlines and I really should have.

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Dave Amitri | 23 July 2011 - 11:32pm

it was parliament offices, but add to that

a Christian and member of the Masons. Yes, he was just another nutter, albeit a rather fastidious one. I just saw the appointed defence lawyer on TV, didn't look to be too keen on the job.

One big question to be answered when the dust settled is why he was allowed to roam around the island for one and a half hours completing his grizzly work before the police arrived.

For those who know me, my sons are ok.

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Sid Williams | 24 July 2011 - 12:05am

Glad to hear that Sid

.

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Retro Man | 24 July 2011 - 9:07am

Ditto here

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Vorgongod | 25 July 2011 - 4:14pm

I don't know you

And I'm glad.

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sitheref2409 | 25 July 2011 - 5:20pm

not quite sure how to take that

but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. My comment about my sons was because they both live in Oslo and a few of the people here know that.

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Sid Williams | 25 July 2011 - 7:18pm

Glad

I did a double take too, but I think he meant that although he doesn't know you, he's still glad your sons are okay. I second that.

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Spartacus Mills | 25 July 2011 - 7:32pm

Exactly

That's exactly how read it too.

I don't know you either, Sid, but I'm also glad your sons are safe and well.

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Red Umpire | 25 July 2011 - 8:23pm

^^

Yes

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sitheref2409 | 26 July 2011 - 7:16pm

Amy Winehouse

Not my cup of tea musically, but terribly sad nonetheless. To try and compare it to the deaths in Norway is foolhardy and not a little cruel.

The friends and family of Amy Winehouse and all those who died in Norway will feel the same pain, regardless of the circumstances.

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Spartacus Mills | 23 July 2011 - 11:37pm

One of my favourite memories of Amy

will always be this:

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mojoworking | 23 July 2011 - 11:46pm

Wonder if Simon

still finds it funny ?

I suppose he's twittering somewhere, so I could find out I expect.

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Slick | 27 July 2011 - 12:58am

Indeed

He should stop taking the mickey out of his guests just in case they die.

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Spartacus Mills | 27 July 2011 - 10:46am

Its true then

I've just come back after being out. The atmosphere was so weird around town, was wondering what had gone on. Someone then told me. Too young, too naive. I have a sense of anger more than anything else. What a few have suggested above is true. That the hangers on and sick losers that she was attracted to, and surrounded by have a huge responsibility, whether they recognise it or not.

Hard truth, but that is what was once referred to as "the Rock & Roll lifestyle" lived to its conclusion though people.

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Marky | 24 July 2011 - 1:05am

I don't usually

contribute to these RIP threads even when it's an artist that I really like. It's always sad when people die, especially prematurely, but I don't feel that anything I have to say about it will comfort anybody so I don't bother.
But today was a bad day, a thoroughly depressing day. Watching the news about the horrible tragedy in Norway all day long, going through half a box of tissues, and just as I was going to turn the TV off and try to shake the blues the news about Amy Winehouse came up on the screen.
I think it shook me more than it normally would have because I was already feeling depressed. That and the fact that I have lost friends to drugs myself.
It's such a f***ing waste.
And that nazi bastard...to park a car with explosives in front of a building is horrible and cowardly, but to dress up as a policeman and gun down 90+ kids is unbelievably sick.
I haven't felt this sad and chocked since Olof Palme was murdered.

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Locust | 24 July 2011 - 1:36am

"Pop star, 27, found dead, suspected drug overdose"

What a tragically nostalgic headline. Given the amount of knowledge and support networks there are these days (and consequently less of those headlines) it's tragic that she slipped through the net. But as has been said above, ultimately it's up to the individual. And she did say she wasn't gonna go.

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Mousey | 24 July 2011 - 1:41am

the whole thing freaked me out

far more than i expected...i work nights..and only found out after 10pm....
i'd had a few.. and went to a retirement party..and the second i went in a friend said.."amy winehouse is dead"
my initial reaction was anger...very similar to the phenomenon of billy mackenzie's death...
it was wholly unnatural..i am not a fan..billy was an aquaintence..
thing was...i don't know why it upset me so much..
but ....
now.. the existential tug of shit events like these...bathed in that filthy "rock" myth...a t-shirt..a lunch box...

her life is now reduced to her DEATH...her entire slim body of work is now a fanfare of early DEATH ...
a pathetic and premature solvency of human endeavor...
WHAT A FUCKING WASTE....

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drilltime | 24 July 2011 - 3:27am

Know what you mean

HMV Birmingham were playing Amy Winehouse this pm - bet they weren't playing it last week.

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Steve Turner | 24 July 2011 - 7:48pm

You're not wrong.........

......it would be nice to think that this won't be used as an easy way for the Record Industry and its off-shoots to shift product.
Yeah, right!

I went many years not actually knowing the name of Lennon's murderer as I was hell-bent on not being made to associate his life with what happened in December 1980.

I also think that anyone linked to this young lady and her drug/drink problems (see also: all those hangers-on who used to buy George Best drinks and, no doubt, still buy drinks for Paul Gascoigne) on even a casual basis should take a long, hard look at themselves.....and then someone should go and give them an almighty kicking.

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ranger | 24 July 2011 - 8:15am

this is very sad news

I loved her first record and her potential demise from drugs has come up in conversations with friends over the last few years - that she would end up another Kurt Cobain if she didn't get it sorted, but remembered for her genuine talent and flashes of genius. But to hear it on the news this morning was still quite a shock.

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rocker43 | 24 July 2011 - 11:08am

Based on the reports elsewhere on the web

(although notably not here) it appears that I missed the memo in which the terms 'genius' and 'legend' were redefined.

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stimpy | 24 July 2011 - 11:45am

Ah well

People will always sex up an artist's significance after their death. It's just the way it is. Not for nothing did Tony Wilson describe Ian Curtis's suicide as a great career move.

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Spartacus Mills | 24 July 2011 - 11:51am

The word genius is among the

The word genius is among the most misused of words, I think her second album was/is really good. Even if she was not famous it would still be a tragic waste, how long before someone compares her to Janis Joplin?

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woodface | 24 July 2011 - 12:03pm

How about now?

"Amy Winehouse was a fine vocalist and, on her night, could be a compelling live performer but one thing is certain, she was no Janis Joplin"

:-)

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stimpy | 24 July 2011 - 12:10pm

no she wasn't

in my opinion she was miles better

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Sid Williams | 24 July 2011 - 3:36pm

Not sure on that one

Amy had a great voice but I think Janis had a better range and better songs.

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Steve Turner | 24 July 2011 - 7:52pm

each to their own Mr T

as far as I remember (and I haven't listened to her in years), JJs range was full on shriek and that was about it. I used to like it in short doses but it soon got grating.

The thing about Amy for me was that I have never heard anything quite like her before, I'm not musically trained so I cant explain it but there is something very special about it.

The example I posted earlier in the thread is just gorgeous, and that was just a practice session as far as I understand.

There's another on You Tube where she's sitting in a chair singing Valerie to a simple guitar accompaniment, in these days of digital enhancement its just raw and extraordinary.

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Sid Williams | 24 July 2011 - 9:07pm

I actually agree, Amy better

I actually agree, Amy better than Janis.

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woodface | 24 July 2011 - 10:13pm

Hi Sid

I guess this isn't the time to argue about the merits of each but here is a Janis performance without the shrieking and if there is a better example of someone making someone elses song their own I would be interested in hearing it:

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Steve Turner | 24 July 2011 - 10:36pm

This whole internet thing is

This whole internet thing is fucked, isn't it? This thread is titled Amy Winehouse RIP. I second that, and suggest that people who have no idea what respect is start their own threads about whatever is at the forefront of their tiny brains this particular minute. Jesus.

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logan | 25 July 2011 - 12:29pm

Calm down

Threads on internet forums aren't sacred places. This is not a book of condolence. Getting upset because people are discussing Winehouse's merits as an artist is ridiculous. What do you want? 100 people all posting 'RIP Amy'? What would that acheive? Who'd want to read that?

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Spartacus Mills | 25 July 2011 - 12:34pm

Achieve.(That's how it's spelled)

Disrespectful enough for you?

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logan | 25 July 2011 - 12:56pm

Oh good.

New troll.

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Five-Centres | 25 July 2011 - 1:03pm

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Please remind yourselves of the posting guidelines. We ask that you not criticise each other's spelling or grammar, and we ask that ignore people you believe are trolling.

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Fraser Lewry | 25 July 2011 - 1:06pm

spelling

That's easy for you to say, Fraser! I'm still smarting from Mr Hepworth's withering put-down for misspelling Lionel Richie on this very site.

Ooooooooooooooh, it hurt. I'll get him back, I will I will.

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kinkywolfgang | 27 July 2011 - 12:21pm

It's OK

We had words about that.

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Fraser Lewry | 27 July 2011 - 1:12pm

Oh...

...do tell! Go on, go on. I won't repeat any of it. Promise!

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kinkywolfgang | 27 July 2011 - 2:27pm

Lynel Richtea?

or "Old Clay 'Ead" as we call him round our way

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DogFacedBoy | 27 July 2011 - 2:39pm

Eh?

Sorry for my shoddy spelling. I genuinely don't see any disrespectful comments on here about Any Winehouse. I've seen plenty elsewhere on the web though. Stuff that'd make you realise how condemning someone for making a comparison to Janis Joplin is a little precious.

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Spartacus Mills | 25 July 2011 - 1:06pm

What's got you so angry?

I already posted my condolences to Amy further up this posting - I said she had a great voice, I also have both of her albums which is more than can be said for many people that will no doubt jump on the bandwagon in the coming weeks. Sid posted that he thought she was miles better than Janis Joplin - I disagreed. As far as I know freedom of expression still exists in this country or is that something you would like to see banned?
I am sure many will disagree with me - fine - I ain't gonna get upset about it. People are getting too sensitive around here.

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Steve Turner | 25 July 2011 - 11:17pm

I agree

100% with you on that Steve.

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Sid Williams | 26 July 2011 - 7:38am

And watch those CD sales

go through the roof this week.

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mojoworking | 24 July 2011 - 12:18pm
The Smamfy | 25 July 2011 - 1:22pm

Amy Amy Amy

I echo all the comments here about the senseless waste of talent. I don't know if she was a "genius" or not but I liked her debut album Frank and loved Back to Black. I liked her both for her heartbreak songs like Love is a Losing Game, but also for her occasional wit in songs like F--k Me Pumps and Me and Mr. Jones. I don't know if she invented the word "fu-kery" or not but she certainly popularized it. Plus, who else but Amy Winehouse would write a lyric like "Nowadays you don't mean d-ck to me" and have her background singers echo, "d-ck to me." She seemed to have a good dark sense of humor.

Certainly she was a trainwreck these last few years but I always hoped that she would get herself out of it. Shame she couldn't.

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Lott | 24 July 2011 - 4:07pm

What's also disappointing

is that she only had two LPs to show for what must have been a ten-year career. Jim Morrison was dead at 27, but had managed to make six (proper) albums.

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Brookster | 24 July 2011 - 5:00pm

She was not a genius

that much is obvious for sure to me. What she was was a very talented singer of her own and other's material. A few more years in the clubs and venues playing a wider range of material may have led her on the path to immortality. She didn't leave anything near the legacy required for such deity. And that is what makes her death so tragic to those outside of her immediate circle and makes her a mythical figure for years to come.
What could have been?

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jimmyshoes01 | 24 July 2011 - 9:02pm

We'll see if her music will

We'll see if her music will age well. Most likely it will. Musicians like Jack White, Prince, Jarvis and a lot more had been singing her praises. I think that is more than enough to validate her importance. You don't really need a longer body of work to become musically relevant. I can name some legendary musicians who keep sullying their reputation by releasing so many crap albums, and that they should have stopped after their third album.

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lstrw | 25 July 2011 - 7:49am

'not a genius'...

well, who knows? The g-word is a slippery term for sure. It might be damning with faint praise to portray Ronson as the genius and Winehouse as 'merely' interpretive but I think that probably a fair reflection. I think it should just be borne in mind that 'mere' interpretation encompasses such as Sinatra and Presley. Does a 'genius' have to be a songwriter? Discuss.

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DougieJ | 25 July 2011 - 11:48pm

Hmm...confused now...

Though I wouldn't call Amy Winehouse a genius I would certainly call her a songwriter...
On Back In Black six songs are her own and four have shared credits ( only one with Ronson BTW ).
Ronson did a great job polishing a diamond, but he didn't create it.

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Locust | 26 July 2011 - 12:57pm

Agree with Locust

She was most certainly a songwriter, as Locust says. And I'd bet a sizeable sum that all of the lyrics on her albums are 100% hers. Not only that, but she was quite a capable guitarist too (although like a lot of people she struggled to sing and play at the same time); her guitar is heard on quite a few of the songs, including the frankly awesome In My Bed, video below.

There are some halfway decent singer/songwriters around today - Adele, Paloma Faith - and a lot of wannabes; I haven't heard anything that's even on the same lap as Amy Winehouse.

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Rosbif | 26 July 2011 - 11:14pm

It's the sadness, isn't it?

It's the sadness, isn't it? It isn't the comparisons or the over used adjectives or the record sales.
For me it's the fact that I, a 53 year old man living 12,000 miles away, loved seeing the rock and roll life alive and well. The combination of raunchiness and fragility, sexiness and vulnerability, retro and right up to the minute, in your face 21st century spirit, here was a woman throwing herself on the world and giving us a thrill.

The mental illness and addictions issues attack the great and the small, they were a backstory that even those on her team used to market her and her product, but those things weren't the music, and the music was bloody great.

I was really sad when I heard the news, and listened to a few songs, and chatted to a couple of folk about her, and then, last night on the TV news, seeing the bloody gurney wheeled out of the flat, with the tiny, empty body on it, I shed a tear.

It's a nice coincidence that recently I have had this on high rotate, and flicked the link through to numerous friends. Cheers me up every time I watch it.

R.I.P. Amy, and Thanks

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macphails | 25 July 2011 - 12:44am

A lovely tribute

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mojoworking | 25 July 2011 - 12:44am

An excellent piece of writing and

well articulated personal insight.

I think he really nailed the whole thing right there.
Russell rises in my estimation, as does Winehouse, 'the jazz singer.'

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Adman | 25 July 2011 - 9:53am

I work in Camden

Would it be ghoulish of me to go and have a look at the tributes outside her flat?

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Five-Centres | 25 July 2011 - 9:58am

Nipping over to Camden Square

I was going to pay my respects, but Camden makes me irrationally angry and I know I'd get my hair off if I saw people taking photos of each other/leaving bottles of Smirn etc.
So I'll play her music instead.

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The Smamfy | 25 July 2011 - 12:42pm

Camden....

.....makes me irrationally angry as well.
Funny.
I wonder why?!

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ranger | 25 July 2011 - 6:09pm

It's the high level

of constant twattery, personally speaking. I love the area (from a historic perspective, I find it fascinating), but I want to play Twonk The Scenester Round The Head after two minutes of passing through.

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The Smamfy | 26 July 2011 - 5:26am

You should chill out

and go for drink in Hoxton then, that'll cheer you up!

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Retro Man | 27 July 2011 - 3:49pm

Well you

could probably pick up some booze n spliff from outside while you're there. Some people have strange ways of paying tribute, don't they?
You wouldn't be the only one having a gander but its just a gaff isn't it? I doubt it'll be open to the public ala Graceland.

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DogFacedBoy | 25 July 2011 - 10:14am

Yes, very strange

Someone had left an empty bottle of vodka and some fags.

Another pop star death glamourises those things that are bad for you in some people's eyes.

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Five-Centres | 25 July 2011 - 10:22am

R.I.P. Amy, and Thanks

I think macphails said it for me, but even as I wrestle with every year, that 'stupid club' seems even more abruptly cut short. I didn't have a clue at 27 (and I still might not), so now I see Hendrix, Parsons - and now Amy Winehouse - denied so many experiences, and us the benefit of those experiences in their music.

Now, Lennon's death at 40 (especially with a young son) seems brutal, brutal, brutal. Still to reiterate macphails, we owe them our thanks, some compassion for their families, and an appreciation that many of us shared what they offered.

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SoundMind | 25 July 2011 - 2:19pm

BBC Radio 4

Arts correspondent David Sillitoe filed a report that I heard twice last night - at 10pm and midnight. During it, he said tributes had come in from many, including Carole King, remembering Amy for her songwriting, as the audio track on the report faded in Amy's version of 'Valerie.'

Shameful, disrespectful and sloppy.

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pocket.calculator | 25 July 2011 - 2:50pm

This morning on the radio...

I heard a promo for a special programme about the music of the Sixties. The music they had playing in the background was the title song that was specially written for the 1996 film That Thing You Do.

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Archie Valparaiso | 26 July 2011 - 10:32am

I can't stop watching videos of her, really.

Such a fantastic talent - and such a funny girl. This little clip of her being interviewed on Jonathan Ross in 2004, and then her performance, is wonderful.

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Jude Rogers | 25 July 2011 - 3:06pm

The Popjustice tribute was brilliant in that regard, wasn't it?

..because that's what we all want to do. Listen to her music and watch her videos and be a bit awestruck at her gift.

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The Smamfy | 25 July 2011 - 3:15pm

I Heard Love is Blind

Thanks for the video. Great performance (tho Jonathan Ross seems a bit annoying.) This song was always one of my favorites off Frank and it's a good example of how quirky and darkly funny her lyrics could be. I love that instead of feeling guilty about cheating on her boyfriend -- instead of apologizing or begging for forgiveness -- she completely rationalizes it.

I couldn't resist him
His eyes were like yours
His hair was exactly the shade of brown
He's just not as tall, but I couldn't tell
It was dark and I was lying down

You are everything - he means nothing to me
I can't even remember his name
Why're you so upset?
Baby, you weren't there and I was thinking of you when I came.

And you know she means it. That song always made me laugh.

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Lott | 25 July 2011 - 6:06pm
fortuneight | 25 July 2011 - 8:01pm

Yes

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Red Umpire | 25 July 2011 - 8:29pm

In Amy's own words

What FUCKERY is this?

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Ruff-Diamond | 25 July 2011 - 10:24pm

Good lord what cretinous, offensive drivel that is!

Kurt Soller should be banged up in Leeds Prison where he can admire Fielder Civil's 'Style' at close range. What a dick.

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Dr Volume | 26 July 2011 - 2:43am

agree with everything above

and I am going to slip the word "thundertwat" into a conversation today. That's my Tuesday quest.

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Sid Williams | 26 July 2011 - 7:36am

News stories mash-up

I heard the news on the car radio t 5.30-ish and was home to watch BBC News 24 at 6pm and to hear the ex-News of the World Showbiz reporter expressing his opinion. Is there ANYONE in the world more likely to have had voice mails hacked, medical records blagged and paps harass them than poor Amy Winehouse?

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kb | 26 July 2011 - 10:19am

This weeks NME

excellent cover that speaks for itself. How much nicer than screaming tabloid headlines that dogged her life. A Bit of peace.

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Dr Volume | 27 July 2011 - 10:52pm

Saw that as well.

It was, as you say, 'nice'. First time I've noticed the NME in ages.

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DougieJ | 27 July 2011 - 11:57pm

Far be it from me usually to bestow the NME with praise...

but I was mightily impressed with that cover when I saw it in Tesco yesterday. Brilliant.

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Patrick Crowther | 28 July 2011 - 8:04am

Nicely done NME

Very apposite, respectful whilst being a little stylish...

...and no "This woman died for you" nonsense (although I believe that was Spunos anyway)

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stimpy | 28 July 2011 - 8:04pm

Yes nothing like stripping all the unnecessary twaddle off

.. is there. Maybe a few erm... other music periodicals could learn a thing or two. And maybe hire some designers less less liable to allow the completely unqualified to breathe down their necks.

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Marky | 29 July 2011 - 1:06am

I still fondly remember the experimental subscribers covers

that had no writing whatsoever - just the photo and the Word logo. (the Iggy and PSB issues wasn't it?).

Remarkably similar effect to that NME cover.

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stimpy | 29 July 2011 - 8:27am

I cheated myself

One of her lyrics that just sticks in my mind at the moment.

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paulwright | 29 July 2011 - 6:58am
Grant | 29 July 2011 - 6:42pm

Christ

That's one of the meanest things I think I've ever read.

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Spartacus Mills | 29 July 2011 - 8:53pm
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