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Amazon Kindle Experience, 2 Months On
Having now had a couple of months with the new Amazon kindle, I thought I'd pass on my experience. Overall I've found it great value for money.
There are some things that work brilliantly and some things that are of limited value.
The primary function of reading a book from front to back is a great experience. I've particularly enjoyed the ability to change font size depending on lighting and how my eyes feel at the time. The downloading experience is extremely effective and I've certainly upped my reading. It almost feels legitimate to have a couple of books on the go at once. I'm carrying it around with about 40 books on it at present. Many of these have been free and I haven't paid much more than a fiver for anything else.
It's far less suited to reading a reference type book where you need to flick backwards and forwards across the material.
The free roaming internet connectivity has been useful on my travels although it is a little cumbersome to use. (But it is free!)
I got over the "I love the feel of paper" thing very quickly. It's light to hold in a comfortable reading position for significant lengths of time and the look and feel of the "printed" page is very convincing indeed.
Another bonus is the ability to transfer your own documents to it in either PDF form or (at a small cost of 20p) an instantly converted Kindle type file that reads in the same way as any other book you can get from Amazon. (They do this via email).
In keeping with the ancient traditions of the printed page, the display is black and white. This is great for a novel, biography or history but less suitable for a magazine. I'm yet to see any electronic device get close to recreating a genuine magazine experience. I think the aesthetic pleasure gained from a magazine (such as word) will never be recreated on a tablet or screen of any kind. Something to do with texture and the balance of image and text on the page. Eventually people will stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole! I did take out a free trial subsciption to a kindle version of a newspaper but abandoned this after a few days.
It's also well worth having the leather cover that comes with the retractable light (even though this is an extra £40). Its great at supplementing poor light but does not shed enough light to read in total darkness.
In summary I think the Amazon Kindle will prove to be the VHS of electronic readers. I suspect you'll be seeing plenty of them on commuter trains after Christmas.
What have been your experiences?
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Interestingly,
I don't know anyone who's got one. Or wants one. Seems like an irrelevant invention to me. What's wrong with a book?
My radio co-host was enthusing about these last week
He likes to read in bed, and this way he doesn't have to leave the light on while his Mrs. is trying to get to sleep. Nothing wrong with 'a' book, but as he pointed out, he has the complete works of Dickens on his and it takes up a great deal less space on the floor by his bed.
Suggestion
Some sort of eye mask would be an inexpensive alternative and potential Xmas pressie for her.
Sorry..went all Viz for a moment.
It's caught on here
Well the FPO has one, and several colleagues have as well. From where I'm sitting they seem to have properly caught on. Perhaps I know a higher than average number of overpaid people! I don't know anyone with an ipad.
<waves> I have an iPad
Joke from today's Popbitch:
Q: What's nine-and-a-half inches long and satisfies all c**ts?
A: An iPad.
They're there all week, try the veal.
I was showing off my brand new Kindle at work on Monday.
On Tuesday my mate brought his iPad in. :-(
If it's any consolation
I have severe Kindle envy, but no iPad envy whatsoever.
Actually me neither...
I'm very happy with my Kindle.
My colleague has one
I still think it's far, far easier to just open your book at its bookmark, rather than fiddle about turning stuff on,m and they look cumbersome to hold. Plus, you'd have to hide it on the Tube in case someone mugged you for it, but he seems to really like it, however he's annoyed that a new version has been released so soon.
Moving files
Can you move files from a PC to the Kindle? There is a really good program that I have (free download) called Calibre for converting ebook formats, which will convert PDF to whatever format you require. I have the Kindle app for my phone, and have recently converted a bundle of PDFs to the Kindle format. A couple convert strangely (misread words in places), but for the most part they convert ok, although the formatting sometimes goes astray.
http://calibre-ebook.com/
Yes
The Kindle appears as a removable hard drive.
Then Calibre is worth a look for any Kindle user...
It not only converts from PDF, but it converts from any of the standard ebook formats to any of the standard ebook formats.
I'm not sure how that works with syncing though...
Yes
Load your library into Calibre, regardless of format. Plug in Kindle. Choose book(s) and hit "Send To Device" (or similar, don't have it in front of me) - It'll convert, if necessary and download it to the Kindle in seconds.
I'm tempted
My main concern is that the books are all in a proprietary file format. What happens if you want to buy a different eBook reader in the future?
See my response above
There are plenty of programs that do similar.
What I mean is
If I buy a book from Amazon in their proprietary format, I wouldn't be able, for example, to read it on a Sony device.
I believe Calibre will convert formats
It will
But if you've bought an eBook from Amazon with DRM, you can only read it on a Kindle and you can't convert it.
Converting to .azw (the Kindle's file format) isn't difficult, but is there the same range of books in competing formats?
ePub
Everything seems to be available (legally or otherwise) in ePub. Is it going to become the mp3 of e-books?
Kindle report
I bought one a few months back, and loved it immediately. It increased my reading habit. But, I bought an iPad recently, and that has killed the Kindle for me, even though the Kindle has a better screen for pure reading.
That's interesting because
I have an iPad and am considering getting a Kindle for Xmas. I'd use it as a piece of travel kit - the iPad being heavier and not so good in sunlight. I can live without the games etc and would get e-mail via the phone.
Keep us informed
I'm really interested in how people use these things.
I cannot fault it.
As mentioned above, it's upped my reading no end, although there could still be the novelty factor at play. Perfect for bedtime reading - easy to hold & change pages with one hand. Books download wirelessly in an instant, free Guardian appears every morning via Calibre and a cheap sub to New Statesman via the Kindle page which lands on there every Thursday. Battery lasts almost forever - four weeks in and I'm still on the first charge. I'd be more than happy to take a text-only sub to Word on my Kindle in addition to my 'real-world' copy. How about a Kindle-friendly version for existing subscribers for a small premium, David?
I have recently bought a number
of books with illustrations - not comic books - and I cannot imagine how a Kindle could have brought me the same pleasure as these books. I'm old fashioned about books but if it increases reading, then no bad thing, though not sure that book designers or bookbinders would agree.
I suspect authors would be in favour
I've certainly spent a few bob on some ebooks since getting my kindle(admittedly only 4 or 5 pounds at a time) but my assumption is that the author and relevant middle man will get a chunk of that.
Prior to my kindle, I was borrowing books from the library or buying heavily discounted books from various sources.
I think this is encouraging reading and the legitimate buying of copywrite material.
(As you say, it is a bit crap at displaying images other than full page illustrations.)
More sales is of course good for authors
and I'm sure they'll thank you for that but it's not safe to assume that authors automatically get a better royalty rate from e-books than they would have done from all print versions. Self-published e-books may be an exception, however.
As usual it's a complicated question, with plenty of variables. For a flavour of author royalties in the more developed e-book market in the US, you could take a look here - I have no idea of the accuracy of the figures quoted, and there's probably more there of interest to industry people.
http://www.idealog.com/blog/the-royalty-math-print-wholesale-model-agenc...
To echo what a lot of people have said above
I got one pretty much the day it came out and it's been fab. The absolute killer was taking it away for a fortnight's holiday and freeing up a raft of baggage space/weight into the bargain.
The weight of the Kindle is ideal for long spells of one-handed reading - far more comfortable than the surprisingly weighty iPad.
It's great in bright sunlight and fits into a suit jacket pocket perfectly.
Battery life is phenomenal.
Magazines/newspapers - a different reading experience but the Spectator/New Statesman versions include all the text and the reading is good (although I agree about the overall magazine 'experience' being missing). I have picked up a couple of Guardians via Calibre for free, and they've been fine - b/w pictures are a bit fuzzy but legible enough.
I would take a Word Kindle subscription - but it wouldn't replace the magazine for a second.
The Kindle does one thing and does it extremely well. Obviously it's not as versatile as an iPad but it doesn't pretend to be - and it's a fifth of the price.
In my humble opinion - (iPhone + Kindle) >> iPad by some distance.
Cool App Alert : For Those With An iPhone / iPad!
Check out '3D Classic Literature Collection' at the App Store. It was free: now 99p. But, it will give you a taster of the turning-pages-and-bookmarking-and-some-shit-like-that experience. Ought to give you a taste of what is possible, and if you want to go down that road.
I read 'Dracula' on it. Great fun.
Dig the Link:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/3d-classic-literature-collection/id352342...
I would love a Kindle
Reading is my favourite and my best (to quote Charlie and Lola). Even more so than music, and that's really saying something.
Reading is good, but better than music?
It's like saying cake is better than cheese... both are good in their own special way.
Great
Now I'm craving cake AND cheese. Thanks a bunch.
*munch munch munch*
Cheesecake is the answer.
No matter what the question is.
Kindle is great
It's very practical and works very well. I don't think of it as an eReader - it is just something I read. I love the fact that I have a Guardian, Independent and BBC "newspaper" delivered every morning thanks to Calibre (and for free).
And my reading resistant son thinks it's great so thats a bonus.
I would happily pay an extra £5 on my regular Word subscription for a Kindle friendly download as well. Maybe even a little more....
I'd agree with a lot of the above
It's very, very good at what its for and absolutely dreadful at everything else. Suits me fine. You can't really web browse on it despite its included browser but its a nice wee free addition.
It's impact on my reading habits has been very interesting though. I'm reading like I did when I was a teenager. Devouring everything I can get my hands on, downloading Russian classics, Dickens, Gothic Horror and have finally read the Sherlock Holmes stories which I've been putting off my entire adult life. It's revolutionised my reading habits the way the iPod changed the way I listened to music.
I can read absolutely anything, anywhere as soon as my desire to read it manifests itself. The more I read the more I want to read. I no longer read trashy paperrbacks as theres so much amazing stuff out there for free I've never found time to get into. My new personal treat is reading the sunday papers and downloading anything referenced in an article or review which catches my fancy. I dont forget about it during the week or put it off. I can have the book, or at least a sample, immediately and can then make my mind up about it there and then. The "oh but its not a book. The lovely smell of the lovely books, all papery and smelly" people remind of people who like to appear lovably clueless about using a DVD player.
You dont sign a contract preventing you from ever buying a paper book again when you get one. Its an amazing device whose convenience means you read more, more often. And surely thats a good thing.
How easy is it
to flick backwards? I'm an avid reader, but as I tend to speed read, I frequently need to check back on something that didn't seem important at the time.
And we have a really good book game that needs a healthy bookshelf so I'm in two minds about it.
One more question - can you download reader software for a lap top? I've got one of those swivelly top ones, (if you'll pardon the tech speak)so wouldn't that work just as well?
Easy
The current model has a much more prominent back button than the previous model.
If you're a reader who doesn't care about the whizzy stuff, you can't beat it.
Yes, you can download reader software
The above mentioned Calibre will allow you to read any format on the PC, and Amazon do a "Kindle For PCs" which makes all your Kindle books available online - if you have the wireless on, it will even synchronise the last page you read.
Going back is as easy as going forward - there's a button for each.
Two other points worth mentioning - if you position the cursor next to a word, you'll get a definition at the bottom of the screen, which is surprisingly useful when you can't quite remember what an anti-macassar is. If that's no help, you can jump out to Wikipedia for further info.
For me it answers the age old question of which side I lie on when reading in bed, though I have nodded off and dropped it a couple of times...
Thanks!
I'm going to give that a go!
If you buy a second hand Kindle ...
Can it view second hand books? That's all I read.
Guardian for free on Kindle?
A couple of the posts above suggest that it is possible to get a Guardian on the kindle via Calibre. How does that work then? Presumably not via an automatic daily download that will appear on my Kindle?
(Amazon don't do a Guardian subscription)
It pulls together
the RSS newsfeeds from the Guardian website and then packages them up into an indexed newspaper. It looks and feels very similar to the Telegraph that you can subscribe to via Amazon.
You can set Calibre up to download it at say 6:30 am and then email it to your Kindle account at 6:45 am. Then you turn you Kindle on, connect to wifi or 3G and it arrives.
Blimey!
I'll give that a whirl. Many thanks. For some reason the calibre web site does not display text on my work PC, I'll have a look over the weekend from home.
Do you happen to know if Calibre is Mac friendly?
Martin
It is
I use the Mac version.
Stupid question alert
If I set up Calibre to do what you say, does my computer actually have to be turned on between 6:29 and 6:46 for the automatic download/email to happen, or does it all happen somewhere in the 'cloud' rather than on my personal black box?
Secondly, what's the earliest I can set the timer to ensure I get today's (rather than yesterday's) feeds?
Ta!
I use the scheduler on my Mac
so my machine sleeps and then automatically wakes in time for the RSS feed. Calibre then emails them out (it seems to be automatic - I was looking for a way of setting it up but it seems to do it anyway). Windows probably has something similar under energy management in control panel.
Not sure what time the bulk of the stories get updated. My advice would be to leave the update as late as you can as it will represent the news stories on the feed at the time of the update.
Thanks Lee
I'll give that a go.
I've now used Calibre based on your advice. The best thing is...
Free New Yorker Magazine!
I cant get Calibre to email to my kindle but I can plug in and transfer files.
Many thanks indeed for the tip.
It should work
Is it just Calibre that you can't get to email to your Kindle?
If you can email from your normal email client to your Kindle then you should just need to transfer the SMTP settings from your email client to Calibre. If you can't normally email a file then you've probably omitted to register the sending email address with your Kindle account - you can set them from your Kindle. I've made it work with Windows and OSX.
You've cracked it!
It was indeed the smtp settings.
Many thanks John
Wonderful
Two months in and also loving it. I think I'm reading more in fact.
At the moment I'm alternating between 'Popular delusions and the madness of crowds' and Chris Mullin's diaries (that's Junior Minister crossed off my 'jobs I'd like to do' list). The latter has some black and white photos which are well-reproduced.
The huge range of (legal) free books makes forthe online equivalent of a second-hand bookshop. I've been through Sir Richard Burton's account of his trip to Mecca (in disguise, obviously) and looking forward to Sir Walter Scott's Letters on Demonology.
And slightly beside the point but I can't recommend John Lanchester's 'Whoops! - Why everyone owes everyone and no-one can pay' highly enough.
This just in from the US..
will we see the same in the UK next year?
http://www.thebookseller.com/news/132287-more-kindle-editions-sold-than-...
Xmas market aside
I suspect the Christmas sales figures will be all about the celebrity biogs which will sell predominantly in traditional formats. There's bound to be quite a few Kindles given as gifts which will have a major impact after Christmas.
If I was a betting man. I'd have a fiver on the same thing happening here next Autumn.
Ping!
I was actually planning on buying one tomorrow. I keep seeing them around our nation's capital and I'm drooling. It's this or a Traktor setup, but I think I'm going with the Kindle.
Kindles are go!
Have one since last Christmas. Delighted with it. The download process is cumbersome, if you're not in a wireless suitable area (and I live in the middle of nowhere, so the wireless thingy is not much use). iTunes or eMusic it's not. However, I find myself reading more than I've done in years.
As for the iPad, the comparison/rivalry is misplaced. Kindles are for dedicated readers. iPads are too big and cumbersome for that. But they beat the Kindle hands down in terms of the visual experience. iPads are sexy. Kindles are the the nondescript girl with the mousey-brown hair and the thick glasses at uni who ends up with the fantastic career. In short, the two products are aimed at quite different audiences.
Most important tip for Kindle wannabes: buy a cover - they're essential.
*excitement*
Just ordered mine, it's coming tomorrow. I'm awfully excited.
Tempted, but not convinced
I'm a pretty voracious reader and although I like some aspects of the Kindle I dislike lots too.
Some people complain about the size & weight of a book, complaining that hardbacks can't be stuffed into a bag and taken on the train to work, or read in bed etc. but I've been doing these for years and haven't had a single issue, aside from the time I fell asleep reading one of the latter Harry Potter books, dropped it onto the floor and woke myself up.
When I go on holiday I normally take a book for each day, usually 300+ page books too (once took "Infinite Jest", "A Suitable Boy" and "Ulysses" as two of my bits of light poolside reading, and the longest of these took me a week to finish) so about half of the total weight of my suitcase is taken up with books. Yes, it would be nice to have something as small and light as a Kindle with all of my holiday reading on it instead of this mass of paper, but...
* There's no chance of opening my bag and finding my book is "broken" and won't work.
* There's no possibility I'd get to the beach, turn my book on and find the battery is flat.
* If the book gets suntan lotion or sweat on it, or it gets splashed or dropped into the sea or pool I moan for a bit but a few minutes later it is dry, if crinkly, but still in working order.
* I can leave my book on the sun lounger when I go to the toilet or the bar, and I know it will still be there when I get back.
So that's at least 4-1 to the paper-style book already.
I really don't get this whole "you can have the complete works of Shakespeare and Dickens on your Kindle, and carry it around with you, and cross-reference things!" argument which keeps appearing. I'm sure someone will call me a heathen but I'm a fan of neither, plus when I'm reading a book I tend to read A (singular) book, and have never had the urge to carry a stack around with me. As for the often mentioned Project Gutenberg site, I've looked many times but have yet to find a single thing I'd like to read. Again, call me a heathen but I've no desire to read the classics - I've read all the ones I want to read already.
Somebody up there ^ mentioned the Kindle being great as you can read it in bed at night without the light being on to disturb your partner. Er... no, that's not true. The Kindle isn't backlit, so you still need a light to read it in the dark.
There's one other thing, and it's a bit of a strange one. Books have a whole social aspect which is often overlooked. I've had countless conversations with people on the train and on holiday about books they're reading, when I notice the cover of something I've read myself and loved, and we'll chat for ages about the story. I also often have "clear outs" of books, where I get those I've read but don't see myself reading again (I keep my books in mint condition and refuse to break the spine or bend pages) and pass them on to friends I feel would like them, or give them to charity. It's hard to do either of these things with e-books. It's also impossible to get an e-book signed by the author, and I can't see a glorified PDF gaining value like the rare, signed Haruki Murakami book I have has done over the years.
Part of me is very tempted by the idea of a Kindle - probably the gadget freak inside me - but I've yet to read or hear a single compelling reason to buy one. Sure, if I'm given one for Christmas, or I win one in a competition, I'm sure I'd be delighted, but I wouldn't actually buy one.
Battery life
on a Kindle is brilliant. It would only run out if you went on holiday for about a month (and didn't bring your charger). Your other comments are fair enough though.
Ebooks
I dont have a Kindle but do have a Sony.
I like the ebook experience for a number of reasons mainly the ability to buy a book instantly from my house.
BUT BEWARE, from 20 Oct 2010 book publishers have banned all sales of ebooks outside of the UK. This is a similar situation to emusic where publishers have a problem (or percieved problem) so immediately punish good and loyal customers.
Its a disgrace and really hacks me off.
In the words of my hero "I dont believe it"
Lovely stuff
I got mine yesterday and I have to say, it's wonderful.
It took a while to read the manual, but now it's done and I'm rolling.
I've downloaded Calibre too, and while at first it's not the most user-friendly application I've ever used, I can see it's going to be seriously useful.
Hooray.
Compared to Sony version...?
We bought the Sony and then sent it back. The black to white to black text every time you "turn" the page was headache-inducing for speed readers. Would like to hear if the Kindle is any better in this regard...
I've certainly not noticed that on Kindle
The page turning experience is great (although many people i've showed it too seem to want to swipe the screen with their fingers!) The page turn is pretty instant with no distortion of any kind.
I get some flicker on my Kindle
A definite 'positive to negative' and back when I turn the page, but to be honest it doesn't bother me in the slightest and I soon stop noticing it.
Interested that you get no distortion at all Martin - is this something that varies between models, I wonder?
I withdraw the comment!
Your question made me check. Incredibly, I hadn't noticed it before. Clearly it wasn't an issue for me (until now!)
Non real situation
It's interesting that people try to swipe it but I've noticed that it generally seems to be so that they can flick from one page back to another and back again as quickly as possible which is something that, once you start reading a book, you simply don't do.
Had my Kindle for a year
and absolutely love it.
Got over the 'real paper' issue within hours and now don't enjoy reading a real book as much as I do the Kindle.
The web browser isn't great but it works and if you bookmark pages it is quick.
Do get a cover for it as it can break if dropped.
I've doubled my amount of reading since buying it (and I read a lot anyway) and find that most new books now also release Kindle versions.
In summary: It's ace.
Makes my book addiction much less visible
Bookcases stuffed full, eight piles of books on the dining room floor each over 6 feet high , the attic full, Mum's house also annexed for book storage... thank God for the Kindle, I say. I got mine with 3G two months ago and I would hate to be without it ever again. It is easy to use and can be read for hours without eye strain.I have arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome but thanks to the Kindle I can now read whatever I like rather than whatever I can manage to hold. I don't like the text-to-speech function though. I resort to it now and again on the days when my hands won't obey me at all but the voices are a)American and b) utterly without any reflection of the written punctuation; which makes passages of speech hard to decipher. If you want a toy, get an iPad, but if you're a serious reader, get a Kindle - you won't regret it.
Not sure I'd call the iPad a toy
as it does a hell of a lot more than the Kindle but I'd agree that it isn't a dedicated eReader.
iBooks does have a lovely page-turning animation though :-)
The iPad isn't a toy
It's quite versatile. I can watch films, TV, read books, magazines, surf, do email, play a variety of games. My Sony Reader has been untouched since I got the iPad.
I travel a lot and my iPad lets me take just one bit of kit to do all the above - before it was the Reader and the iPod and the laptop. And before the Reader it was lots of books - which had to be paperback.
If all you want is the reading experience then a Kindle or reader makes more sense, but I rather like the fact that I have easy access to iBooks and the iPad Kindle app, and all the other stuff in one place. And once the Guardian or the Indy and The Word have iPad versions I'll be subscribing to them too.