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... except classical.

This is a strand of music that has passed me by - mainly by its non-appeal for the youth and its pretentious reviews/fans. I can hear its influence in electronic music, and do have some of what is known as 'modern classical' music to be found at Boomkat (Leyland Kirby as an example below)

Can the Word Massive point me in the right direction to the past influences on the future?

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Steve Reich

Is where I would recommend anyone venturing into contemporary classical from other genres. Some key works:

Drumming
Music for 18 Musicians
Different Trains
Tehillim
The Desert Songs

Philip Glass I have grown a bit less fond of over time, steer clear of his symphonies but I can recommed his film soundtrack work;
Koyaanisqatsi and sequels
Mishima
etc
and the compilation album Glassworks has much of his best work.

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Moseleymoles | 15 February 2010 - 4:56pm

I second the above..

I would also add John Adams and Arvo Pärt. If you want something that I've heard described as 'neo classical' (i.e. a mix of classical and electronic) then I would thoroughly recommend Jóhann Jóhannsson.

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Handsome.P.Wonderful | 15 February 2010 - 5:24pm

Absolutely Adams

A Short Ride In A Fast Machine
Shaker Loops

The key Adams works, unless you want to go in the deep end with Nixon In China

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Moseleymoles | 16 February 2010 - 11:36am

Shaker loops here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qn463/Performance_on_3_Britten_S...

for a couple more days-and a nice performance of Riech's Duet, in a great concert

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SpaceBoy | 21 February 2010 - 8:19pm

Terry Riley


John Cage


BBC Radiophonic Workshop


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Ahh_Bisto | 15 February 2010 - 5:25pm

Listening to that Terry Riley

really conveys where the name "Baba O'Reilly" came from. Much heard in Hitch-hiker's guide too I think.

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SpaceBoy | 16 February 2010 - 5:42pm

Docteur Qui ?

have only just caught up with this masterpiece, courtesy of a BA flight:

C'est lui, dans la nuit- Docteur Qui
Il voyage dans le Tardis. Le boite de telephone. Fantastique d'espace!
L'interieur est beaucoup plus grand que l'exterieur
Et ca, c'est le mystere de Docteur Qui
L'enemie, il s'appele Davros, le capitain des Daleks
Il est demi-Dalek et demi-homme- incroyable!
Il veut controller le monde, toujours controller le monde
Il se leve le matin, il veut controller le monde!
Apres le petit-dejeuner, il veut controller le monde!
Mais il ne controllait le monde jamais! Ce n'est pas tres realistique
Avec les Daleks, le Docteur est superieur.
Exterminez-vous! Exterminez-vous encore! Ah, zut alors!
Le docteur gagne, il rit 'Ha, ha, ha- j'ai gagne parce que je suis Docteur Qui

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SpaceBoy | 22 February 2010 - 9:57am

Erik Satie

(1866 – 1925). Pretty much invented 'Ambient', nearly a century before Eno. You've probably heard his Trois Gymnopedies, so start with that and continue!

Good call by trevelyan wright on Glass's Koyaanisqatsi too.

Strange but true: Philip Glass occasionally babysitted me when he came over to England. I'll never forget his bedtime stories: "Once upon a time, once upon a time, once upon a time, once upon a time..."

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ali catterall | 15 February 2010 - 5:29pm

In terms of purely classical

music influences I'd add Satie


Stravinsky


I think you should also check out some of jazz guys. Miles Davis' In A Silent Way from the 60s has noticeable ideas that have been picked up in electronic music:


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Ahh_Bisto | 15 February 2010 - 5:29pm

Some more directions

Musique Concrete (which includes John Cage)

Edgar Varese - Poeme Electronique


Karlheinz Stockhausen


Some soundtrack stuff as well in addition to BBC Radiophonic

Louis and Bebe Barron - Forbidden Planet:


Wendy/Walter Carlos - The Shining/ Clockwork Orange


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Ahh_Bisto | 15 February 2010 - 5:47pm

I was once

the proud owner of an album entitled "Stockhausen's Greatest Hits".Can't find any reference to a single hit tune anywhere though.

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Pencilsqueezer | 16 February 2010 - 5:56pm

Classical music and "its pretentious reviews/fans"

None of those in the pop world - nooooooo :-)

I'd take a listen to Vaughan Williams and Elgar - any arrangement that tries to summon up a sense of Englishness is invesitably indebted to one of other of these. Think Lilac Time, Robert Kirby

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stimpy | 15 February 2010 - 5:47pm

quite

Somewhere between Elgar and Britten lies Finzi, another master of bottled Englishness and something else as well ... something very haunting to me at least.

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SpaceBoy | 16 February 2010 - 4:13pm

Thank you

for alerting me to Finzi. I was instantly affected by this music.

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Ahh_Bisto | 19 February 2010 - 12:40pm

my pleasure

Dies Natalis and the Clarinet Concerto are really quite special, there's no-one quite like Finzi. There are some great recordings of that pairing, I am also very partial to this Richard Hickox Chandos CD

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gerald-Finzi-Violin-Concerto/dp/B000056KNH

that must be in my Top 10 played.

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SpaceBoy | 21 February 2010 - 6:53pm

You could fit my classical knowledge

on the back of a stamp, but over the past year I've acquired some Beethoven, Mozart, Holst, Barber, Shostakovich and Berlioz and 'The Planets' is comfortably my favourite work at the moment, especially that bit in 'Jupiter'. Any 'if you like this, try this' recommendations would be appreciated.

I'll admit to not having absorbed the above purchases to their fullest, but 'The Planets' managed to grab me from the beginning.

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Tom | 15 February 2010 - 8:07pm

If you like The Planets, can I perhaps suggest

Elgar's 'Enigma Variations'. It's a series of variations on a theme which does a lovely job of conjuring up a sense of a long-gone Edwardian England.

You'll recognise some bits of it and it has some cracking 'tunes'

EDIT: Here's 'the hit single' from it

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stimpy | 16 February 2010 - 9:58am

I'd direct you to

Grieg - Peer Gynt

http://open.spotify.com/album/1cSFTEFdX5MbBAWw34KlwC

Dvorak - New World Symphony

http://open.spotify.com/album/0mmlPSJyYWS5yI6jqUjseO

Saint-Saens - Carnival of the Animals

http://open.spotify.com/album/5e37yAos9Sb8XnPREK3ohH

Vaughan Williams - Fantasia on A Theme by Thomas Tallis

http://open.spotify.com/album/3wsabtxGvOiNc6Ra2kqsqx

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Ahh_Bisto | 16 February 2010 - 10:59am

Max Richter

I have just started litening to the Leyland kirby record - Sadly, the Future Is No Longer What It Was and it is truly wonderful and sad music, also very long at over 4hours.

A good start in to modern classical is Max Richter - either The Blue Notebook or Songs From Before.


Max Richter "Song"

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markiep | 15 February 2010 - 10:30pm

Leyland Kirby

Funny, I'd never heard of him 'till yesterday when I was browsing boomkat.com and now here he is popping up all over the Word blog. Synchronicity or what? Anyway, I would second all the recommendations so far, and add Peter Broderick and Goldmund to the "modern classical" list.

To Tom, I would say that if you like Holst's "The Planets", then try Dvorak's Symphony No.9, anything by Elgar or Vaughan-Williams, Mahler's symphonies and Richard Strauss's symphonic poems. You may also enjoy the symphonic works of Nielsen (not Harry, Carl), and Sibelius. It's always exciting to open a door onto a whole new musical world. Happy listening!

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Martin | 15 February 2010 - 11:20pm

Ludovico Einaudi

Is very good in a Michael Nyman without the awkward bits kind of way. Divenire is lovely.

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Leedsboy | 15 February 2010 - 11:04pm
Dr.Pill | 15 February 2010 - 11:37pm

Heinrich Biber

I can recommend the violin sonatas of Heinrich Biber as performed by John Holloway on the 2 ECM recordings "Unam Ceylum" and "Die Türken Anmarsch". Absolutely top-notch stuff.

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duco01 | 16 February 2010 - 10:59am

emusic

Modern classical is really well represented on emusic, via Naxos and other labels. You also get great bangs for your credits as many pieces are only a couple of separate tracks.

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Moseleymoles | 16 February 2010 - 11:39am

Holst's The Planets

(someone's already mentioned this above)

This is a purely genius piece of music. I'm not ashamed to admit that I first got into it because it sounds like Star Wars! But that's actually a good comparison: a lot of John Williams' incidental music (I don't mean the upbeat anthems in particular, the atmospheric stuff as well) sounds a LOT like The Planets.

After years of loving it, I finally saw it performed live last year in Glasgow and it blew me away. One of the "lesser" movements, Venus, is now my favourite one.

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Stephen Merrick | 16 February 2010 - 12:35pm

With this collection, you are really spoiling me...

Thank you so much for your wonderful suggestions, and will click through the links tonight.

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Reno Dakota | 16 February 2010 - 2:01pm

I envy you

I've been seriously into classical music for 40 years, and it would be great to be in the position you are: I would love to recapture my first time of hearing so much wonderful music. As it is, I doubt whether I'll ever hear anything truly new again.

I won't make any suggestions, as I don't know your tastes - I don't mean in genre, but in style: dissonant/consonant, regular/irregular pulse, no pulse at all, vocal, orchestral, chamber, song cycles (which don't 'begin again' as Mr Costello believes). There will something there which will suit you, and there are many good recommendations above - once you've tried them out, maybe you could tell us which you preferred, and we can all expand from there.

Now, I will have to go off and explore Leyland Kirby, of whom I'd never heard before.

Happy listening!

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PeteWingrave | 16 February 2010 - 5:57pm

I'm a classical cellist (lapsed)...

...and was brought up by two (for want of a better term) "classical" music nuts. I was also a cathedral chorister from the ages of 7 to 13, and that's about the most intensive classical music education there is, so I'm pretty well versed.

I love renaissance choral music - Tallis, Palestrina, Vittoria, Byrd, Lassus, Allegri. Here are three of the most beautiful pieces of music ever composed:

There's plenty more where that came from!

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Bob | 21 February 2010 - 8:55pm

While you're about it...

... listen to the Bach cello suites. They're incredible - I used to play them a lot, and used movements from them for both my grade 8 and performance certificate exams. They're solo cello, completely unaccompanied, and the way the music almost seems to harmonise with itself is genuinely as close to a spiritual experience as this particular atheist ever gets. :)

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Bob | 22 February 2010 - 4:57pm

Update

Thanks must go to Ali Catterall & Ahh_Bisto for the Erik Satie recommendation and NickW for pointing me in the direction of Gerald Finzi.

I'll be researching the others to expand my range of options.

I know a few have pointed out my comments regarding pretention in music, but it was more a comment on the way Radio 3 presenters describe the intricacies of classical music - you just don't hear the other BBC radio channels being quite so analytical about the music they play (though many seem to have just woken up to the use of key changes). That's my fault for not being quite so clear about my meaning.

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Reno Dakota | 22 February 2010 - 5:20pm

Finzi's jewel-like body of work

is one of those things in life that I am unreservedly enthusiastic about-so it's great to find others share that enthusiasm. I can't even now remember how I came across his stuff in the early 90s, could have been in a record shop or a CD club (Britannia Music anyone ?-I guess they don't exist any more ?) but the FPO and I loved it and I am just so glad we found it. One really good British music compilation with the Clarinet concerto that I know we had at that time was this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spirit-England-Sir-Edward-Elgar/dp/B0000037D4

but the CD with Dies Natalis, the concerto and A Farewell to Arms that blew me away was actually this one, now deleted but not too hard to find:

http://www.amazon.com/Gerald-Finzi-Clarinet-Concerto-Farewell/dp/B00000D...

again it was the late Richard Hickox, whose feeling for Finzi was quite exceptional I think.

The lilting final movement of Dies Natalis, "The salutation" is what swept me up first-see track 3 on the player here:

http://www.geraldfinzi.org/

At the risk of pushing my luck can I also suggest you try the concert I've linked to above while it's going-the blend of Purcell, Tippett, Britten, Reich, Adams and a new piece works as well on the radio as it did live, the kind of adventurous programming the Britten Sinfonia are known for.

[PS indeed seems Britannia Music are gone, yet another sign of the times

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/browse_thr... ]

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SpaceBoy | 23 February 2010 - 8:32am

Just one thing...

There are myriad recommendations I could make but will start with this one from Giovanni Gabrieli:

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Richie B | 23 February 2010 - 2:01pm

Couple more

courtesy of Andrei Tarkovsky, who used Bach's Ich Ruf Zu Dir

and Erbame Dich

to stunning effect in Solaris and the Sacrifice respectively.

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SpaceBoy | 24 February 2010 - 9:56pm
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