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All Killer, No Filler?

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David Wright's post earlier in the week (http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/albums-under-40-mins) confirmed my long held view that short albums are better. The new Arcade Fire album, The Suburbs, is very fine indeed, but I can't help thinking it would have been an even better album if they'd cut out four or five tracks.

This started me thinking. Are there any double or triple albums that wouldn't have benefited from a bit of Quality Control? As a big Prog fan, I have a particular fondness for Tales From Topographic Oceans, but I accept that this view is not widely shared. Stevie Wonder's Songs In The Key Of Life is an absolute classic, but it still includes a few duffers. And, as good as London Calling is, it's not perfect. Any nominations for the perfect double or triple album?

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Exile on Main Street

..for one.

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poolhallrichard | 4 August 2010 - 5:19pm

The Orb

Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld.
Is supposed to be epic, and even if you don't like all the tunes if you reduced it down to a few key tracks it simply wouldn't make any sense.

Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Volume II. A Triple album on Vinyl...I wouldn't lose a single track, the whole point of this one is they way it lulls you with some "shimmering shards of cerebral majesty" (© NME 1990) one minute, and then veers into creepy and unsettling hoovering noises the next.

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Dr Volume | 4 August 2010 - 5:35pm

Just checked re The Orb

I'm surprised how badly it was received at the time of its release. But I agree, it's just about perfect and also would rate very highly in a list of albums with great first and last tracks.

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clivetemple | 7 August 2010 - 9:09pm

Zep's Graffiti

is perfect from my POV. Yes, even Boogie With Stu as its creates a great mental picture of the old fella boggie wooging away with another top band.

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DogFacedBoy | 4 August 2010 - 5:38pm
stimpy | 4 August 2010 - 10:06pm

Maybe not quite a double...

... but I wouldn't lose a second of Spritualized "Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space" It's a good 80 minutes.

Struggling to think of any others frankly.

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ganglesprocket | 4 August 2010 - 5:39pm

well it was double vinyl

so thats good enough for me. I wouldn't lose a note either.

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DogFacedBoy | 4 August 2010 - 9:05pm

How About..The Who.

Quadrophenia - Townshend reckons its their best work.Not Tommy though cant listen to that these days.
Its too late to stop now by Van Morrison if we are counting live albums too.

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pablo picasso | 4 August 2010 - 5:40pm

Seconded.

Brilliant album with no lumps of fat or gristle.

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TedLoaf | 4 August 2010 - 7:10pm

Quadrophenia

would have been better as an EP with The Real Me, 5:15 and maybe a couple of others. The rest is pretentious, sub-operatic garbage.

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Podicle | 4 August 2010 - 10:10pm

Sign o' the times

Is pretty damn impressive.

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matthew | 4 August 2010 - 6:22pm

There's...

Dead Can Dance 'Toward the Within' - it's live but mostly new material so I've unilaterally decided it counts as a proper album.

I don't think I would want to lose any tracks from
Drive-By Truckers - 'Southern Rock Opera'
Jimi Hendrix - 'Electric Ladyland'
Richard Thompson - 'You? Me? Us?'

(Not just Word-compliant RT worship, I LOVE that album...)

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Specs_Beard | 4 August 2010 - 7:14pm

If you're in an ambient mood, then this fits the bill...

Stars of the Lid "...and their Refinement of the Decline"

Two hours of drone-based soundscapes. Quite lovely. I never tire of it.

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duco01 | 4 August 2010 - 7:18pm

Dylan's..

Time Out of Mind is, let's not forget, also a double album and perfect with it.

Also Electric Ladyland (minus Redding's track obviously).
Chicago Transit Authority comes close, terrific debut.
And several from Miles Davis.

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Declan | 4 August 2010 - 7:33pm

for Impulse-era Trane at his absolute mightiest

... this double CD is the one:

McCoy Tyner's playing on this set is nothin short of supernatural...

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duco01 | 4 August 2010 - 7:47pm

I can't think of many (if any) perfect single albums...

let alone doubles or triples. The suggestions above are good ones, but I think they all sag slightly in places.

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Patrick Crowther | 4 August 2010 - 8:14pm

oops, just noticed it is limited to double or triple

albums.

Note to self, read thread properly before posting.

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Jed Clampett | 4 August 2010 - 8:38pm

for four sides of bliss...

it's gotta be the lamb lies down on broadway every time , pop pickers !

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young dude | 4 August 2010 - 9:20pm

No filler.

I think this will be Pooh pooed by most of the massive, but I think Sergeant Pepper fits the bill.

Not a single note or breath wasted.

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jackthebiscuit | 4 August 2010 - 9:27pm

There's one major problem with Sgt Pepper

within the terms of this thread :-)

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stimpy | 4 August 2010 - 10:08pm

This thread

just re read the thread, sorry !

Can I have Physical Graffiti instead please sir ??

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jackthebiscuit | 5 August 2010 - 1:18pm

Double Live Solid Rock

Not sure if live double albums are accepted, but Dire Strait's Alchemy
is pretty perfect for me, no duff tracks.

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David Wright | 4 August 2010 - 9:40pm

I'll see your 'Alchemy'

and raise you 'Seconds Out'...

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MichaelC | 7 August 2010 - 7:29pm

Blonde On Blonde

OK, it's only a double because of the last song, but it's still all killer. In fact, rock's first double album, wasn't it?

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Lucas Hare | 4 August 2010 - 10:17pm

I Think

It was a draw with Zappa's Freak Out. Both appeared around May/June 1966

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mojoworking | 4 August 2010 - 11:37pm

Quo Live

for another.

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poolhallrichard | 4 August 2010 - 11:24pm

You're not wrong

As a double album lacking any filler it's up there with the best double albums that lack any filler. And from recollection it doesn't include Down Down for some reason.

Maybe also index under 'Tin, it does what it says on'.

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clivetemple | 7 August 2010 - 9:01pm

Slight change of tack...

What's interesting is that some albums manage to manufacture a type of listening inside me where I don't care about the weak tracks. Or rather, that they get woven in to be an indispensable part of the journey, even if they are undoubtedly less appealing then some of the material that surrounds them.

A great example is 69 Love Songs by the Magnetic Fields. I hope that most people who have heard it have, like me, revelled in the sheer joy of the variety and changes of tack that it constantly throws up. There are some songs that are some of my favorite ever music, like "The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side", for instance. And there are some that are definitely not as this standard: "Long Forgotten Fairytale" for example. So, 69 Love Songs has its weak tracks, and if you had to delete some filler, you wouldn't be stuck for choice. But Would I rather it became 50 Love Songs instead on that basis? No, because its creators have managed to make me see that the scope and variety that music can throw at you is a crucial element, and should not be allowed to to be over-powered by a ruthless drive to eliminate any slight distractions or deviations from perfection.

The death of the album format can be traced directly to people wanting to find a record with "no filler". That would be a single, then.

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Jonah | 5 August 2010 - 12:11am

"Your part of town against mine"

Listening to the new Arcade Fire album - The Suburbs from start to finish will take 64 minutes of your time. Stretched out on my bed after work with the CD playing on my hi-fi, that feels about right. Conversely its predecessor - Black Mirror - clocked in at 47 minutes and always felt too long.

As Jonah pointed out above, a good album isn't simply a load of killer tracks grouped together. It's a more nuanced, contextual creature, with songs carefully selected and positioned in the running order so that what goes before compliments what comes after.

Any record on the scale of The Suburbs is going to take a while to come into focus. Prune the track-listing and it will begin to lose its integrity as an album - the flow that transforms it from a collection of songs into something greater than the sum of its parts.

There are no titles listed on the outer sleeve of The Suburbs and I would struggle to tell you what any of the individual pieces were called. I’ve been enjoying it as a whole.

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backwards7 | 5 August 2010 - 7:21am

You've convinced me,B7

I'm off to buy it.Great review.

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Sour Crout | 5 August 2010 - 8:48am

Jehovahkill

by the Arch-Drude himself Mr Cope...

& does New Order's 'Substance' count?

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growl at the badger | 5 August 2010 - 10:13am

You growling at me?

Seconded, Jehovakill - and I reckon Peggy Suicide is also all greatness and perfection too

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Slotbadger | 7 August 2010 - 10:14pm

Well said, Jonah

69 Love Songs is pretty much my favourite of all time for the reasons you've outlined - the variety of the record, the ambition.

I can forgive albums some filler if there is a degree of ambition about them, which I would see as differing from long albums which just include every note recorded by the artist in the previous couple of years.

Doubles on vinyl (I think - they are both an hour or so long) that I would throw into the discussion would be The Boo Radleys' Giant Steps and Prefab Sprout's Jordan: The Comeback

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Monsignor_Bonehead | 5 August 2010 - 1:08pm

White Albumn?

Well there is no consensus over which tracks should be culled so therefore it qualifies (by my logic anyway!).

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woodface | 7 August 2010 - 9:21pm
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