Entertainment For Lively Minds
Albums we already have
Posted by Captain Underpants on 1 April 2009 - 9:24am.
So EMI put the first the Radiohead albums out with a few extra tracks and someone, somewhere will no doubt buy them, even though they've had the originals for years.
I have purchased the same album on different formats (I have REM's Green in vinyl, cassette and CD) but I can't say I've ever shelled out for a full album I already had to get one new track.
But I suspect I'm in a minority here. Come on, confess, confess...
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Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
I think I've bought this record on 4 different occasions (vinyl, CD, CD in a 3CD box and reissued CD. I haven't succumbed to the recent anniversary boxset but I'm sure it will happen at some point.
All sorts of Genesis records
On LP, lousy original CD transfers, "definitive edition" CD remaster, the new 5.1 box sets. And in some cases, foreign pressings on vinyl. None of them even with the excitement of additional tracks.
If it wasn't for me, Phil Collins would still be living in Hounslow. Probably.
If you like Radiohead, as I do...
the EMI reissues are actually quite tempting as they feature all their B-Sides which in some cases are better than the songs on the original albums. However I shall wait until they're under £10 before buying them... that should be about 2 weeks then.
The Stone Roses....
Particularly suckered by Silvertone/Zomba's persistent re-releases..
Had the original vinyl. Bought a CD copy for then girlfriend. Bought re-issued CD with "Elephant Stone" inserted after She Bangs The Drum. Then bought CD with Fools Gold tacked to the end (despite owning said song on 12" - Bought the "Remix" album - bought the "Turns Into Stone" CD that collects the few b sides and unreleased stuff that didn't make it on to the album but I had on the 12" singles nontheless.
Will be buying the deluxe 20th anniversary edition...
Zomba - meet your #1 mug punter.
I'm much the same...
...and to think not one penny will have gone to IB/JS/M/R apparently.
I frequently buy CD versions of my vinyl albums. Just this week I bought Graham Parker's Squeezing Out Sparks.
I can do you a deal...
on the CD with both the studio version and "Live Sparks", which was a promo at the time with live versions of all the songs from the album, stuck in the same order as the LP [not done in one of those"we're going to play the whole album in order" gigs".
And I bought the "Vertigo" best of set, which includes the whole of Squeezing Out Sparks when I already had it on CD, just so I could get a couple of extra tracks.
Forgot one.....
The "greatest hits" Silvertone one with the double disc that contained two poxy instrumentals, "Ride On" and another I can't remember, that clearly are studio muso jams where the recording light was left on. Made The Foz seem focussed.
And...have also bought all the vinyl and cd's, then the cd re-issues of The Holy Bible and London Calling. Not quite in the Zomba mug league though
I have bought...
...Love's Forever Changes 4 times in the past 12 years or so. A 'vanilla' CD, 2 CD re-issues and Sundazed's vinyl release.
I prefer to cherrypick any "new" tracks
as downloads, if I like 'em enough too. The one exception was the re-mastered Blood on the Tracks on CD, already owned on vinyl, but that was mainly cos I saw it for next to nowt.

I have owned Bongos over Balham 3 times, in 2 different formats, LP (lost/nicked), cassette (to replace it) and LP again (gift)
I have, however, bought the "I'll be Home" compilation which includes many of the same songs, albeit from the demos, topped up with downloads from the re-released dble-disc Bongos.
Elvis Costello
is a serial offender shamelessly re-mining his own back catalogue, I think I have at least 3 re-mastered never-before-heard bonus-tracks extra-disc exclusive-sleeve-notes-by-himself or whatever reissues of his first dozen albums or so. Even "Goodbye Cruel World" from the booklet of which EC greets you with the breathtakingly honest opening line:"Congratulations - you've just bought our worst-ever record."
Didn't bother with that one about Romeo & Juliet with the chamber orchestra though. Or the one with the black and white cover where he basically sings "Look at me - I've got a dead smart new new bird, bet you haven't" for an hour.
I rather like "The Juliet Letters"
(that's the one with the Brodsky quartet) but I might be in a minority on that one
I wound up buying the re-release of All This Useless Beauty (which I already owned) just to get some bonus tracks that I wasn't able to get anywhere else. frankly, not worth the money.
And I'm a fan of North
He sings absolutely beautfully on it.
But the neverending reissue campign has hacked me off to the point where I really cant be bothered with any more back catalogue releases of his, whatever's on them.
Indeed
I only re-bought "All This Useless Beauty" for his version of "What Do I Do Now?". Given that I've only listened to it once (just not as great as I'd remembered), that's £15 down the drain. I won't be buying any more of his re-releases either.
Yesterday
I almost bought the remastered 'spesh' version of Camel's 'The Snow Goose' but I eventually resisted. The crucial deciding question was 'how often will I actually listen to the live version on the second disc?'
Didn't stop me buying the 2-disc version of 'The Who Sell Out' last week though ( despite The Hep's less than enthusiastic review ). Guess I'll go for 'mono mixes' and bonus tracks over 'live' versions every time.
Done it twice much to my shame.
I sold my CD copy of Blonde On Blonde by Bob Dylan to a second hand store then two minutes later went into Fopp and bought the 2003 remaster for £5. Big waste of money. The sound was identical to the original CD as far as I could tell. And the remaster didn't have a tracklist on the back of the packaging which is just annoying.
I posted about this on a thread about a month ago and I got into a dialogue with stumpy about the 2008 Van Morrison remasters. I told him that buying what you've already got is pointless etc. About five days later I was in Zavvi for their closing down sale where I found the 2005 2CD deluxe edition of Nine Inch Nails' brilliant The Downward Spiral for £7.19 (£9 and 20% off). I bought it. And I don't regret it even though I can't hear any difference in sound quality to my 1995 version. And the bonus disc only had four worthwhile tracks on it.
More shame.
I also bought the Pink Floyd "Oh By The Way" 16CD box set. It was £60 in a Zavvi sale. By far and away the most expensive single purchase of music I've made (£35 for Blue Guitars 11CD and 1DVD Chris Rea box set was the previous record holder).
Was it worth buying?
No, not really, but it's not something I'm crying over even though I already owned most of the albums. I've kept my original CDs as I just can't bring myself to sell them. They're better packaged than the box set versions because they all have full lyrics (in writing big enough to be read with the naked eye) and it's much easier to get the CDs in and out of the jewel cases than it is out of the mini-vinyl replicas. For that reason I'm just as likely to listen to my original CDs as I am to use the versions from the box set. They do look pretty though.
Oh Blonde On Blonde
I bought it when it first came out on CD, then the gold CD from 'Mastersound', then a Millenium Remaster, the SACD version. I have a boot CD of the original mono mix, mono n stereo first pressings (one US\one UK) and a 190g audiophile vinyl. I think thats enough for a small town rather than one person.
Oh and I have it on Minidisc
Snow Goose?
How much? If it is as cheap as the original, if it ever came out on CD, I'd get it (and probably will). I only ever had it on a cassette "ripped" from the record library.
Of course you will never listen to the live version, no one ever does in such a setting. I bought a Duke Special CD last week with a "bonus" live version of 90% of the same tracks as on the "main" disc, with one song from elsewhere. I had quite liked the studio version, which was lucky, as had I listened to the live disc first, I would have thought it all tommyrot of the first order, so execrably kitsch is the orchestrated live disc.
The 'Goose'
emerged flappingly on CD a few years back and, even then, it was festooned with a whole load of extras ( live Marquee versions...extensive sleeve notes...single mixes etc. ) so that was another reason why I passed because a lot of these extras are replicated on the new 'Special Edition'. One additional goodie on the new version is the ( audio only )inclusion of the humped ones' Whistle Test performance back in 75 with the string quartet but this now-infamous Whistle Test footage is on You Tube and, having seen it recently, I gotta say...it's not really worth fourteen ninety nine of anybody's money. Now, if the Deluxe Thingy had featured the Albert Hall version with the full orchestra I might have been swayed. Maybe.
Deluxe reissures
are rarely worth it. Nick Lowe's Jesus Of Cool is a magnificent example of repackaging with all the right extra tracks which make it indispensable even if you have the original LP. A couple of lost tracks or alternate takes don't do it for me. I was cross when Springsteen's Seeger Sessions was reissued after a couple of months with some essential extra tracks, I bought it but felt conned.Just bought The Who's Sell Out which is a nice package & my Vinyl has seen better days but I doubt I will ever play the second disc which is essentially just a mono mix.
Nick Lowe indispensable?
I really hesitate to take issue at anything that suggests that Nick Lowe is indispensable but all the tracks on the new deluxe copy have already been released on CD (and have been for a long time) - they're all in my collection anyway.
Re: 'The Who Sell Out'
You really should play the second disc - and leave it running after the 'Rael' demo finishes...
Costello
I seem to buy Costello's King Of America each time it's re -issued with new tracks. I now own 57 copies I think.
This Years Model
I've got a few of them as well. I think the one I have most of though is This Years Model. I think I have 5 copies at home, all different and most of them CD... or double CD .... or deluxe double CD.
The mono mix
sounded ace when I was bombing into town last week, really smacking you around the chops
The worst thing bout remasters
is how double vinyls are merged into single CDs. It's literally the most annoying thing in the entire world.
Something like Trout Mask is a great example - in its original form its two tightly-controlled, carefully manipulated sets. In its CD form, it a massive sprawling opus, which is not how it's meant to be. Same goes for Exile on Main Street, Blonde on Blonde, London;s Calling, and probably countless others.
The White Album seems to be the only disc to escape this fate. Peopbably because it's too long to merge into one. Why not just put a line on the back of the tracklisting, between the two halves of the record - is that so hard? The current set-up makes it really difficultfor young kids to get int these records, as they're so intimidating.
Frankie Valli
I can't stop buying Close-Up by Frankie Valli. It contains the gosh-darned amazing 11 minute version of Swearing To God - a disco classic, proper. None of your Oops Upside Your Head.
Every time I see a copy of the album, I buy it. 5 vinyl copies and counting. It came out on CD last year. Swearing To God is about 20 seconds longer on CD, so I bought that too.
Daft bugger.
It always strikes me as odd
that artists apparently spend ages and ages on the running order and sequencing of an album, which may have some theme to it, but 20 years later these same songs get lumped into a "fill up the 75 minutes available with some b-sides and outtakes" collection. Maybe it reflects a song-based approach over an album orientation. Or maybe I'm just an old fart...
Actually, I prefer cd's that last around 50 minutes. It might be my limited attention span but there's also the fact that I simply don't often have the time and inclination to sit still and listen for 75 minutes.
La La La La
I'm on my 4th version of The La's sole album - vinyl, "vanilla" CD, "special edition" CD with 4 extra tracks and now the "deluxe" double CD, which (of course!) fails to include one of the tracks from the previous single-disk edition (sigh!) Bearing in mind their demo collection ("Callin' All") and BBC Sessions CD, surely this must be some productivity record for a band with only one actual album to their name? Unless you know differently...
Rain Dogs
I've bought 3 versions. LP first, which I gave a loan of to my mate. When I eventually got it back, LP wouldn't play properly. On closer inspection I found a footprint on it, and some substance that resembled beans. Replaced it with cassette tape, which(after a while)got chewed up in the car player. I have it on CD now.
I bought Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" last week for £1 from a charity shop. I already own this. The thinking behind this is to swap with a friend for something he/she don't want anymore.
Costello reissues proudly stand next to the
original cd's in my collection which makes it look as if I own about 80 Costello cd's when it's probably more like 40. Anyway what's with Richard Thompson? Brings out his Watching the dark anthology which is pretty definitive, few years later he brings out action packed which is a best of from his Capitol years, couple of years after that he brings out a 6 cd boxset RT which to be fair is a bit shoddily put together. In June there is a new 4 cd best of which basically contains nothing I dont already own. All told I make that 14 cd's of best of material. Someone is having a laugh here.
More embarrassing than buying a new version of a cd with a few extra tracks on it is buying a cd that you already have and have forgotten that you have. Recently did that with a Super Furry Animals cd - I blame the cover artwork - it all looks the same!!!
too many to mention
Often it's a case of looking for a better-sounding version of the music with me. I'm actually not an audiophile at all but some things just sound wrong. Examples...
Wizzard Brew - I've had several copies of this on cassette, vinyl, and two different CDs. I've now concluded it's *supposed* to sound like that, and love it for what it is. In other words, a decent record with every instrument processed through a ring modulator - an early lo-fi album.
Out Of The Blue (ELO) - cassette, gatefold vinyl, early Japanese 2 CD version, standard CD issue, gatefold CD remaster. Actually passed on the recent reissue with apparently Jeff Lynne-approved remastering because it had some ersatz bonus tracks, actually recorded in 2001. The sound quality of this album is just never going to be great. It still remains a favorite and again I've resolved that it sounds as good as it can. (Insert joke at ELO's expense here)
In The Court of The Crimson King - most recent one is the CD where it is just duplicated straight from the master with no EQ or any form of adjustment (DGM Original Master edition). May actually be the best-sounding CD in my collection.
Sweetheart of the Rodeo (Byrds) - I'm just a sucker for this one. I think it's the belief that there is somehow a definitive version of it out there that hasn't been released yet. This is more in terms of track selection/Gram Parsons content than sound quality.
Tell Me More...
..whats the difference with "Court"?
Hard to explain properly without sounding pretentious
The music sounds alive on the Original Master Edition (DGM0501). Previous releases had the feel of a tape that had been copied too many times. It is incredibly clear and warm-sounding, not surprising as it comes from the actual master tape, closer to the source than even the vinyl was. There is seemingly no compression at all so there are dynamics to the music. The tape his hasn't been eliminated, and hence, the top end of the music is still intact. The only tinkering was probably the re-creation of the crossfade between I Talk To The Wind and Epitaph.
Can't recommend it enough.
Is this the 5.1 version?
I think Steve Wilson is working on those - saying that, I'm not sure if any of those have been released yet...
no
Just the standard one. I don't have surround sound gear and don't see the need. I only have two ears.
Larks' Tongues in Aspic
Island vinyl, remaster, 24-bit 30th anniversary edition in cardboard sleeve with booklet of press cuttings, that are far too wee to read, of course.
More than one ....
I treasure the Saints "(I'm) Stranded" even though I don't listen to it very much anymore - in my head, it is a crystal clear, white-hot essence of rock and roll. The actual audio experience is never quite as good as my memory of it.
I bought my first vinyl copy not long after it came out.
In the way that things happen to lively records, one side suffered from being jolted and the needle skreeee-ing across. So I bought another copy, which later suffered a similar fate - but on the other side! So for 2 slabs of vinyl, I had one playable record.
Later on, at a record fair, I bought an EMI Australia edition - again on good solid vinyl. I still have that.
I happened across a cassette copy, had to have that too. Then it came out on CD - I bought that, and it sounded like it had been mastered off my cassette. Still, a CD, with the bonus tracks of the mighty 1-2-3-4 EP. But I would have bought it anyway.
Then I bought the Raven collection "Wild About You", which gathers all the studio recording from 76-79.
That makes 6 purchases. I've enjoyed them all.
I have also bought the MC5's High Time on 80s vinyl, then on 70s vinyl at a record fair, on CD and on the re-mastered 180gm Sundazed edition.
Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin' On" - 70s vinyl which still sounds great, CD and then re-mastered CD which is unlistenable - the percussion dominates throughout.
Kind of Blue - twice on vinyl, CD, re-mastered CD and I am waiting for the 50th anniversary box to be in Fopp for less than £50.
In A Silent Way - original CD, "Complete In A Silent Way" Box set, and in eco packaging when I was stuck in Wrexham and needed some soothing music.
Exile on Main St - 80s vinyl, 70s vinyl, CD, re-mastered CD.
And that's just off the top of my head!
Elvis Costello, as posted above...
I've got several copies each of "Modern Life is Rubbish" by Blur and "Apollo 18" by They Might Be Giants... because both CDs have different track gaps in England and America. Not even for the extra music. Now that's sad.
Different track gaps ?
Eh? Whassat? 3 seconds instead of 5? I think I must be being thick.....
We have a winner
You bought a second copy because the tracks were slightly...further...apart?
But..but...but...
But how did you discover that there was a difference in the first place? Was it deliberately done to generate more sales?! Who publishes the time between tracks information?
now I'm blushing...
...for being such a major geek.
OK. basically, "Apollo 18" has an end section of 20(ish) 4 second mini songs. They should all be separate tracks. Then you play the album on random and you get a sprinkling of mini-songs inbetween tracks.
Howeer, the english version was mispressed, with all the mini-songs combined into one huge long track (which didn't flow at all - it wasn't intended to - thus confounding all the english music critics who couldn't understand what the hell was going on.)
So, I had to buy a copy of both versions of the album. And then another 2 copies as I managed to wear out my original two copies.
And I own three copies of "Modern life is Rubbish" because there are two pieces of incidental music on it that are appended onto the end of tracks in the English version. In America, they're separate tracks. (And, in my defence, I've just remembered it's got "PopScene")
YES I AM THAT GEEKY.
I do like a nice remaster...
My better half believes I'm quite mad ("as long as you can hear it, what's the difference?") but I'm quite partial to remastered/definitive/bonus CD/extra tracks re-releases. I admit to being something of a hi-fi snob, and I like to have the best sound quality available. I don't drink, smoke or otherwise indulge, so music is my one extravagance.
To that end, I've bought Marillion's Fugazi (their best album, no argument) numerous times (cassette, vinyl, CD, remastered double CD), and have individual tracks from it on countless 12", 7", live CDs, DVDs, and bootlegs. Other multiple purchases include the Sisters of Mercy's Floodland (again, their best), Depeche Mode's Violator (ditto) and Pink Floyd's The Wall (best again).
I also spent more money than is good for me buying Dead Can Dance's albums for the second or third time just because they were SACD versions. As far as I'm concerned, it's worth it, as the SACD layer brings the band into the room with you, and listening in the dark with the volume up makes the hair on the neck stand up.
Whatever the cost, experiences like that are worth it.
I have never possessed expensive stereo equipment
but I used to drink and smoke quite a lot and thoroughly enjoyed both at the time.
I may be a total cloth-eared oik as I have honestly never, ever been able to discern any audible difference on any re-mastered, digital, SACD or however enhanced CD I've bought - and I've bought plenty - not even "Street Legal" or "Raw Power" compared to the original vinyl on one of those mono record players you could carry about with a handle or screwed the legs into.
That must surely prove that beer and cigarettes not only affect the heart, lungs, skin and everything they are rightly blamed for but also the quality of your hearing too.
Most of the records I loved as a youngster sounded great on Radio Luxembourg wheezing and squawking away barely tuned in under the bed covers or later on John Peel on a crappy music centre and I've always stuck to the belief that if it's a good 'un, it'll sound good on virtually anything and if it's bobbins, a hi-fi like Cape Canaveral won't make it that much better.
I know it's not cool but................
Live and Dangerous by Thin Lizzy. Probably beacuse it was the first gig I went to but even that may not be an excuse for having bought it twice on vinyl, once on CD and downloaded a couple of years ago.
I have four four copies...
...of the "Best of Sellers" by Peter Sellers.
My acquisition of the third copy, from Oxford market, was not my finest hour. Mainly because the fact I already owned two copies slipped my mind. Anyway, I found a copy in the box marked "all LPs £1", but it had a £6 label on it.
Me "Is this a mistake..it's in the £1 box, but has a £6 label".
Stallholder: "No, it's £1".
Me: "That's outrageous. 'Balham, Gateway to the South' is worth a couple of quid on its own".
Stallholder: "You're welcome to pay £6".
Me: "Er, it's OK, just a pound it is".
Got home, found an identical LP and an EP version, probably liberated from my parents a couple of decades below. Bought a fourth copy from charity shop for 50p a few weeks later in a futile quest for scratch free copy of "Party Political Speech".
thank heavens I'm not the only person who does that
most often I do that with books. I see something I've fancied reading for ages, buy it, bring it home and... have to file it on the shelf with its identical twin.
Miles Davis - Water Babies.
I have bought "Water Babies" 3 times - some kind of mental block about the cover, I think. The first purchase was deliberate, but the other two were "Oh good, that's only a fiver now, not got that one ...". Same thing with Live At The Fillmore East - there was there a re-issue in a different cover - at least the cover of mine was different from the second copy I bought.
I did feel slightly furtive taking it back to Fopp the next day, - he bloke serving me laughed when I told him I had accidentally bought myself a duplicate. Again.
George Pelecanos books, too - they have been re-issued in new covers and it's not easy in a bookshop skim to decide "These characters seem vaguely familiar - is this the further adventures of characters I know and like, or a duplicate copy of "Shame The Devil?".
Probably a different album.
There's two different Miles Davis albums from the Fillmore East, plus another recorded at the Fillmore West, so it's possible that your two purchases were different. I'm not aware of Columbia issuing the same album on CD with different sleeves.
thanks
I'm sure the tracklists were the same - was there a japanese edition ? Looking again at my copy of Water Babies I had my usual thought "Do I have this?". When I had picked it from the shelf in the middle of all the other Miles Davis CDs. Definitely a blind spot.
Much as I love Miles, I do struggle to differentiate the live albums from that era. Maybe I don't need any more of them!
Give me all the B-Sides, 12" remixes etc...
...of "Behaviour" by the Pet Shop Boys and you have a customer. Otherwise I am off to Spotify.
Further Listening
The Boys' "Further Listening" series of reissues all came with extra CDs of all the B-sides/remixes and excellent booklets, and to me were pretty much perfect examples of how these "special editions" should be done. Here's the "Behaviour" extra disk track listing:
1. It Must Be Obvious
2. So Hard (extended dance mix)
3. Miserablism
4. Being Boring (extended mix)
5. Bet She's Not Your Girlfriend
6. We All Feel Better In The Dark (extended mix)
7. Where The Streets Have No Name (extended mix)
8. Jealousy (extended version)
9. Generic Jingle (previously unavailable on CD)
10. DJ Culture (extended mix)
11. Was It Worth It (12" mix)
12. Music For Boys (ambient mix/previously unavailable on CD)
13. DJ Culture (7" mix)
They can be hard to get hold of, but there's one on Ebay expiring tonight currently at £5.01, good luck Beryl!
I've got four copies of viva dead ponies by the fatima Mansions
Two on cassette, one old CD with the american track listing that includes Blues for Ceaucescu and Only Losers take the Bus, and the lovely recent reissue which I bought just because I could.
I've bought several albums three times.
I've bought several albums three times, going from vinyl to CD. The only CD I've bought more then twice was The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society - a single CD version on Castle, the 12-track mono version as part of a 10 CD set of Kinks albums and finally the 3 CD set re-issue. There's a few others I've bought three times as follows:
Can - Tago Mago and Ege Bamyasi. I first purchased these as second-hand vinyl copies from a market stall in the late 1980s for a few quid each, as they were impossible to find new. Then about six or seven years ago I bought them again as CDs, but wasn't that impressed with the poor sound. I then picked up the remasters a couple of years ago.
Love - Forever Changes. Vinyl copy from Our Price around 1988, which got worn out. Acquired the CD re-issue a few years later, and then the re-master with bonus tracks a few years ago. I also won the live version in a competition somewhere.
Gene Clark - No Other. I bought a vinyl copy on Edsel from Demon's mail order catalogue in 1991 or so. Eventually I discovered that there was a CD version available on an obscure German label, which I tracked down. I then bought the remaster a few years ago.
Then there's heaps of jazz albums where I've bought a CD of the album and then later acquired everything again as part of a comprehensive boxed set. I've at least 15 Miles Davis titles that are also covered by a boxed set in their entirety.
I've got all the Oasis
I've got all the Oasis albums so I've bought the same record about eight times.
what i find disgraceful
reading this is the fact that all 3 of my favourite bands of all time (the beatles, the smiths, prince and the revolution) have all been denied the full 2-cd-with-65-page-book-and-dvd treatment. i mean it's not like all 3 don't DESERVE it. especially the fabs, the treatment of who's back cat is nothing short of a national disgrace.
rant over, i do apologise.
Agreed, and add The Stones for good measure...
... who have just announced yet another resissue programme for later this year with no extras whatsoever - another lost opportunity.
On the plus side, The Smiths back-catalogue is being remastered by Johnny Marr and is due for release at the end of the year with extra discs of demos and live tracks, but only a few new songs as they apparently released virtually every song they wrote.
funny that
your prayer may be about to be answered
http://www.thebeatles.com/core/news/
Never mind the Remasters...what about vinyl-era originals?
Am I alone in buying original vinyl of stuff I own on CD but much prefer the original packaging of?
I find it almost impossible to resist a charity-shop copy of something in a good sleeve, particularly a gatefold. Sometimes the LPs themselves are not quite as I'd like them for playing purposes but I just like the artefact - and not for the potential value either. Have done this with the good old 45 too - one of my most prized posessions is a 45rpm copy of "Arnold Layne" in a "Fran the Fan" sleeve that someone seems to have attacked the first few seconds of with a soldering-iron. Unplayable, pretty useless indeed, but it was there at the time....even if I wasn't.
Wow the power of moaning on WORDs forum!
:)