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Albums: band/artist totally lost the plot
The latest edition of a rival publication includes a great article about rock albums whereby the bands who produced them clearly felt the need to dabble and piss about a bit, thus losing the plot (and sales).
It's a fine selection: Queen "Hot Space", The Stones "Dirty Work", Kiss "The Elder", Dylan and the Dead, ELP "Love Beach", Genesis "Calling all Stations", Black Sabbath "Born Again", AC/DC "Fly on the Wall" and, of course, Lou Reed/Metallica "Lulu".
There are hundreds of others I'm sure.
Any thoughts, including on duff albums outside the classic rock/ metal field, where the artist or band said "hope you like our new direction folks" and were generally greeted with the middle finger extended northwards?
I thought this was the sort of question that the Word Massive will handle with their customary objectivity and capacity for learned observation.
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Yes Please - Happy Mondays
Or as one 2 word review had it. 'No thanks.'
John Lennon ...
... Two Virgins (with Yoko Ono).
Lou has form
He did make Metal Machine Music.
Terence Trent D'Arby's Neither Fish nor Flesh usually gets trotted out during these discussions, but it's really not as bad or weird as is popularly believed.
With Terence TD
I think it wasn't so much the music on NFNF as his sheer nuttiness in person on the promotional round. I recall he appeared on the front cover of Q in the absolument rick - a series of similar pictures accompanied the article inside. My wife was rolling about on the floor laughing
All very unexpected after the album that gave him so much success - so instead of being seen as a lurve god Soul Man he seemed to be a bit of a casualty. Shame.
Didn't Paul Weller try a Techno/Acid House style thing..?
I think it was around the end of the Style Council. I can't remember any of the tracks or whether there was an album or not.
So not very informative there Bamber!
As I remember
Weller did record an album in that vein, but his record company refused to release it.
He did
I think it was called Modernism: A New Decade.
Record company refused to release it, drops band and Weller begins his wilderness years.
I think it resurfaced as part of a Style Council box set.
Indeed it did
And much of it is excellent.
As is
the previous Style Council album, Confessions Of A Pop Group. Side One (in old money) in particular:
(TSC - Its A Very Deep Sea)
and this from side 2:
(TSC - Why I Went Missing)
Iwasadoledastoyboy? Not so much...
That Paul Weller chap is at it again
His forthcoming 'Sonic Kicks' album will try to persuade us there's always been a dance element to his music.
The more *ahem* conservative Weller fans will not be amused.
Who did the production?
Les Dawson?
Gareth Brooks and The Life of Chris Gaines
Country star decides to put on wig and mascara and don the persona of an Australian Rock star. Album sold less copies than Kevin Rowland's My Beauty album.
And what was Stevie Wonder doing following up Songs in the Key of Life with a double album about plants?
Then again
I've read that the Chris Gaines LP wasn't at all bad. Anyone heard it?
Yep.
Nothing wrong with it at all, some nice pastiches of the various genres that the fictional chris had been through. Infinitely preferable to any actual Garth Brooks material
My Beauty
is a great album that I unfortunately ignored at the time because of the cover and the bad press.El Hombre made a copy of it for me and I love it.
Dont know whether it constitutes losing the plot but Richard Thompsons You,me,us? is well below his usual standard.
You? Me? Us?
Give it another go. I'm used to the phenomenon where a new RT underwhelms me, only to sound much better 5 or ten years later. YMU? falls into this category, and The Old Kit Bag is another. It's not one of my favourite albums of his, but I liked it much more on a return visit.
Surely you jest?
Cold kisses, Woods of Darney, The Ghost of you Walks, Put it there, pal - below standard? These ears beg to differ. And those are just the ones off the top of my head.
Where it's unusual is the double album format, split into electric and acoustic discs. That does change the listening experience - I quite like the result but YMMV.
Might have to give it another go
Put it there pal is great live but not sure on disc. The Old kit bag is very good full stop - think RT generally has a history of at least one duffer per album its just to my ears there was very little that grabbed me on You,me,us? except Razor Dance.
In this case
I think it's Train Don't Leave
Great single album in You? Me? Us?
I think the splitting of the album into two discs and the appearance of a few songs on both doesn't work, but there are some absolutely superb songs here: Dark Hand Over My Heart, Cold Kisses, Razor Dance and the Ghost Of You Walks are right up there with his best; and I believe Woods Of Darney may be his best song of all. It's compelling, heartbreaking, compassionate and brutal. There's only half of it (the second half) in this Youtube clip, which I've posted before, but what the hell, it's still enough to give me a lump in the throat.
In fact, here's what I'm going to do: "Previously on The Woods Of Darney:"
Now watch and listen on, dear readers...
Prince - The Rainbow Children
I am an obsessive Prince fan and have utmost respect for him following his muse and instincts at all times; but this album is so difficult to like, from the dodgy concept to the grating voice-over segues. A great pity, as all this nonsense obscures some fine music within.
It's an odd one, but for all
It's an odd one, but for all it's bad points (Wedding Feast!) I wouldn't say it's his 'Lost the Plot' album - partly because it's got some bloody good tracks on (Everlasting Now, The Work) and because...well it's got competition in his canon.
I'd nominate 'Graffiti Bridge'. The one where, for me at least, he seems to really lose his grip on what makes Prince good.
Yerbutnobutyer
...equally I think GB has some great songs (Question of U, Elephants and Flowers, Joy In Repetition, Thieves..., Still Would Stand... etc.), which tend to get lost within the "shite film" consensus. Horses for courses, I guess. :-)
Oh I agree
There's some fine songs on GB, but I still think it's his 'lost the plot' album.
He'd made albums before GB that had been surprising/wilfully odd(Around the World in a Day, Lovesexy) but, for me, they hang together well - he sounds like he knows what he wants to do and figures that he'll do it well enough to drag everyone else along with him. I really like 'Batman' (and I'm not overly fussed about D&P) so for me GB signals the start of the decline.
It's certainly not his worst album (Rave? Emancipation?) but it just seems full of ill-judged ideas.'We can Funk', one of his best ever bootlegged songs, is reduced to a forgettable, un-funky filler. 'Graffiti Bridge' (the song) just isn't good enough or anthemic enough to earn it's place. Tevin Campbell.
I grant you that the film shouldn't be held against the album but a crap film never hurt 'Parade'.
Rainbow Children, however, came after some really poor efforts - so could, if anything, be seen as a return to form.
All relative though
Consider two of my all-time favourite albums: Sweetheart of the Rodeo and Dusty in Memphis.
Both marked departures for the artists concerned and both sold poorly. They're still terrific though.
Surely Dusty in Memphis
is a classic regardless of the sales? I always thought it contained her best songs.Son of a Preacher man, Breakfast in bed and Just a little lovin.
Well, yes
The point I wanted to make was that there's a dichotomy at work here; we expect artists to have interesting shifts in musical direction — rather than repeatedly ploughing the same musical furrow — but at the same time are quick to castigate them when it goes wrong.
And some of these albums — like Dusty in Memphis — only gain appreciation years after their release. I don't know the exact point when it was rehabilitated, but it sold badly upon release, singles aside.
What's Going On - WTF?
Berry Gordy was appalled. The album tanked. This ain't "Ain't That Peculiar", this is just...peculiar...
What's Going On?
Did very well, critically and commercially. And it marked a change in the balance of power at Motown, in favour of artists.
I stand corrected
It appears that it did very well in the US. It didn't chart in the UK, even though the single did - I remember being pretty shocked when I found that out, and it's clearly that that's stuck in my mind. I suppose the divide between the 45s/33s markets was at its peak then and Motown was still considered to be in the singles domain (apart from those wonderful "Chartbusters" albums, of course)
The Divine Comedy's Regeneration...
Boy, did that go in a weird direction for them. produced by Radiohead producer Nigel Godrich and a real stab at the more nihilistic end of indie, it was fairly hard work for TDC fans. Nice try, but next LP Absent Friends was more on the money, and young Neil seems to have learned that you can't go too far from the expected path for your band.
Career altering changes of direction? Prince with Around the World In A Day after Purple Rain, The Waterboys on Fisherman's Blues straight after This is the Sea and Tom Waits on Swordfishtrombones - not that any of these had lost the plot as such. They did ditch fanbases fairly comprehensively, however.
Blur
The fifth, self-titled Blur album. Which was both a real about-turn and the LP that killed Britpop.
And probably their best album, in terms of consistency.
"You can't go too far from the expected path for your band"
But weren't the first few Divine Comedy albums heavily inspired by 80s synth pop?
Kate Bush The Dreaming
Even she referred to it as her 'She's gone mad' album. But I clocked that I wasn't the only one who mentioned it on the 'Perfect Album' thread.
I reckon it's her best album
It was a (relative) commercial failure at the time, selling less than previous efforts, and it's her only album to feature a single that never made the Top 75. Almost derailed her career, and her next album, Hounds of Love, was effectively a comeback album.
Thing is, it's brilliant. Each of the songs is a mini-drama and Houdini is probably her best song never released as a single.
Terence Trent Darby
From James Brown influenced pop to Fish Nor Flesh. I remember listening to it and not liking. It seemed pretty bizarre but hearing this now it seems more interesting than bizarre. This sounds like someone doing James Brown vocal tics as a voice warm up.
I predicted
this would appear. It's not a bad album at all; probably just what his audience wasn't expecting.
This Side of Love is a great track.
Somebody high up at HMV or Our Price or similar
said late in '89 that the biggest turkey that Christmas was TTD's second album - clearly mortified at the plummeting sales of what should have been a banker after the huge success of "Hardline". Tel's claim - apparently serious - to have channelled Lennon during the songwriting process didn't help.
It's a fine album - has actually dated rather better than the previous record.
Nice to see our Youtuber practising safe vinyl, too.
Seventh Tree
is something of a departure by Goldfrapp and, I believe, it was less commercially successful than the albums before & after. I think its reception was mixed by the critics.
I think it's OK. OOAA
Seventh Tree
is simply stunning, especially on vinyl. I thought it was well received at the time, but I may be wrong. Love the lyrics to 'Clowns'.
Their best album by a country mile!
IMHO
Surprised nobody's mentioned Talk Talk
Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock have their fans, but they must be one of the best examples of a band doing what they think is right but losing 99% of their audience in the process. I love the band's first three LPs, but these last two were, for me, brave experiments that failed. Still, good on them for trying something so bold.
A couple:
The Monkees, "Head" from which their demographic away in droves turned, and continued to stay away from turned.
... and ...
The Beach Boys "Pet Sounds", which was a radical enough a change ("fucking with the formula") for them to lose their U.S. audience almost entirely. Then they (OK, Brian) scuppered their temporary upswing in sales from "Party" by releasing the nose-diving "Smiley Smile". Respect!
Burt No!
I seem to recall that Beach Boy's Party was released before Pet Sounds as was Summer Days and Summer Nights
Talk Talk
Re Mr Lovegraove's Talk Talk entry - I do agree that this is one of the most radical turnarounds of any band or artist and worthy of a thread all of its own (I'll try and muster the energy one day).
For me Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are two of the greatest albums ever made and indeed I put them both in 'Perfect Albums' thread recently.
Babylon Zoo - Spaceman
Interesting speeded up vocals and clubby sounds suddenly nose dive into sludgy nonsense about electronic information tampers with your soul. Now that is how to change direction. Right afer you have everyone's attention.
ABC - Beauty Stab
I like it, but unfortunately for their record company it wasn't The Lexicon Of Love Part 2.
Still a great album
Give it another listen. Less of the frills, more meaty, more satisfying.
Their Satanic
Majesties Request was an unholy embarrassment at the time.
some more "lost the plot" albums
good responses here. I haven't heard of half these records. And I guess I'm not going to bother hearing them either.
A few that spring to mind
Deep Purple: Concerto for Group and Orchestra
Bob Dylan: Self Portrait
Jethro Tull: A Passion Play
Metallica - St Anger
U2: Zooropa
Zooropa
is great
nah, can't agree
it marks their decline from a great rock band, where the music came first and foremost, to one where the music took a back seat to their A list celebrity status and Bono's political wankery.
There is no way "Zooropa" stands up alongside "War", "The Unforgettable Fire" and "The Joshua Tree". Its even less listenable than "Pop Mart" and that's saying something.
I Love it
it's the Aladdin Sane To Achtung Baby's Ziggy Stardust but good luck to you.
can't entirely agree
Jethro Tull's 'Passion Play' is a thing of wonder - a much underrated album. Rather pretentious but none the worse for that.
Dylan's Self Portrait is a mixed bag. About half the tracks are very good and about half are - mmm less good. Good tracks 'include 'Copper Kettle' 'Belle Isle' 'Days of '49' and 'Take A Message to Mary'. If you like Dylan, give it a listen, If not, don't.
Bought Self Portrait
a few years ago (only a fiver) and was pleasantly surprised. Laid back, lo-fi and I love the covers of the country songs.
'The Boxer' cover, though, can only be construed as a deliberate act of aggression against Paul Simon. Hilarious in a demented way.
similar experience
Bought Self Portrait expecting a really poor album, given all the negative press but it was much better than I had anticipated. The Boxer is an 'interesting' effort. Bob duets with himself. One vocal in his new smooth voice and one in his traditional nasal tone.
Interesting effort
(Loudon Wainright - Talking New Bob Dylan)