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Addressing the Bishop
Oh please. Behave yourselves.
I was in a meeting today, and a real life bishop was there as well. It struck me, as I went up to introduce myself, that I had never met a bishop before and had no idea how I should address him.
Your Grace?
Your Holiness?
Your Worship?
Bish?
Dave?
In the end, I did away with the whole title thing and just said 'Hello, nice to meet you'.
But it did get me wondering what I should have said, and whether my belief (or lack of) should make a difference? (For what it's worth, the bishop and I 'kick with different feet'.)
Or should I even be bothering with this sort of thing in this day and age?
(BTW: He was a very nice bishop, and didn't insist I 'kissed his ring' or anything. Although he did pronounce 'illuminate' as 'illyouminate', which I thought was a very bishopy thing to do.)
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Your Bishopship, innit?
I think it's traditional
to kneel before his bishopric.
Government ministers are difficult too. If you're introducing them its "the right honourable Jim Hacker, secretary of state for administrative affairs" but after that it's 'Minister'. I think.
Addressing a bishop? That would be an ecumenical matter.
"Len"
Is the answer, as any fule know
I saw Jim Norton (bishop brennan)
in serious theatre onceuponatime. Couldn't take him seriously...once the urge to kick him up the arse had passed, I still heard him saying 'don't call me Len you little bollix' over and over in me head!
You address me by my proper title, you little bollocks.
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I believe it's "Your Grace"
I went to school at a time when we were taught these things. Kids of today etc etc... :-)
I think
It is Your Excellency.
But why call him that if you are (or may be) an atheist who doesn't think being a bishop is at all excellent.
I would think 'Oh, 'allo!' should suffice.
I think Your Excellency is an Archbishop
In Duck Soup...
...Groucho Marx is the President of Freedonia.
Margaret Dumont addresses him: 'Your Excellency!'
Groucho: 'You're not so bad yourself.'
It's Sir to you...
I was taught long ago that if you were ever unsure of how to address somebody, then a simple "Sir" (or "Ma'am") was a pretty safe fall-back position.
More tea
vicar, should suffice
Military vicars
military vicars are known as Padres.
Known to all as "Bish"
(or "Sin bosun" behind his back)
The only time I've met a bishop (to my knowledge),
was when hitch hiking from Plymouth to Exeter in student days. A nice chap responded to my optimistic thumb at the Marsh Mills roundabout on the A38, and after saying thanks for the lift, the conversation drifted along various random paths as we sped up the road towards the county town. Only when we'd travelled a fair few miles did he ask me what I did. On reporting that I was indeed, as I think he'd worked out, an impecunious undergraduate, I returned with the question, "What do you do?". "I'm a bishop.", came the reply. I think it's fair to say that I was stumped.
Marty will tell you
Depends if it's the bishop on a train ...
Two bishops
One cool
One decidedly not cool
[This one should not be addressed at all, merely squashed with a giant cherub's foot]
never mind all that,
how *else* do you pronounce illuminate?
ill oo min ate
rather than ill you min ate
oh
I'm with the bishop. I wonder where he's from.
I met him in York
Which is, I think, where he does his bishop stuff.
He did seem to particularly enjoy the 'eeyooo' bit he put in 'illuminate' above and beyond what I would consider normal pronunciation of the word.
He rolled it around his mouth in the manner of former Tory leader Michael Howard enjoying the 'ell' sound in certain words and phrases.
I am trying to avoid the use of the word 'camp' here but I'm struggling badly.
I'm with the Bishop too.
I bet he pronounces Parliament correctly, too (with the letter I clearly audible.)
My dad, who should know...
...tells me it's "Lord Bishop" until he tells you otherwise, which he will ("Please. Call me Marcus.")
That's if we're talking Anglican. If it's one of these papists I've been hearing about, all bets are off.
Your Grace is cardinals. Your Excellency is ambassadors.
He was definitely 'right-footed'.
It's me that kicks with the left.
Joking aside, he was a lovely bloke with no obvious expectations about title or form of address.
All of this is totally in my head. And I suspect if I'd addressed him as 'Lord Bishop', however correct that might actually be, I think he'd have been mortified.
Call a cardinal "Your Grace"...
and you're cruising for a racking round these parts. It's "Your Eminence".
Orthodox patriarchs have bagged the best one, though: "Your Beatitude".
Shit, of course you're right.
Is Grace dukes then?
Altar egos
In my experience, the priest will adopt a sing-song, pious sounding voice when they are "performing" at a mass. This ushers in the notion of the unnecessary elongation of words. It is a tone of voice very close to singing but remains a monotone that, thankfully, is very easy to tune out.
At some point in the seminary training, the priest promises to praise Him by "singing unending hymns of praise", so that's why they do that. It also makes their voice stand out a bit if there's general chatter in the pews, which is common in many countries.
Most priests revert back to their proper voices after mass. Like Kate Bush. She wouldn't screech at you at the butter counter at Tesco would she? However, some priests cling on to the "stage" voice and they can't help it using it all the time. Like Keith Richards.
As with the illuminate example, "christ" often becomes "ker-rysht" and "sacrifice" becomes "sah-carr-if-ishe". Like Liam Gallagher.
So the men of the cloth that talk in that way...they mean it, man. They live it 24/7. That's why the guy referred to in the OP is a Bishop. It's not a day job to someone like that.
it could be geographical
as I'm not a bishop but I put the you in illuminate. Doesn't everybody, I thought. I'm from the Highlands.
Using titles
Whenever I've been told that you're supposed to address people with a certain title, it's always ended up being a bit unwieldy actually using it. I wouldn't ever say things like "hello sir", simply "hello". I don't think I've used anyone's title since leaving school.
As far as a religious leader is concerned, surely they wouldn't expect any kind of deference from anybody outside their chosen denomination.
I'm not sure they necessarily 'expect' anything
but it's a common courtesy to use the correct form of address if someone is sufficiently eminent in their field to warrant an honorific whether they be a senior figure in the forces, the church, academia or the aristocracy. It's just polite :-)
I'm the Personal Assistant to a Bishop
And it is customary to address a Bishop in conversation as "Bishop" (their name).
If you are on familiar terms with the Bishop though you may address them as "Father" (their name).
I should add that in the latter case, the Bishop I work for should be addressed as "Mother".
Thanks Stephen
See my comments above.
I hope that it's clear from my posts above that I am addressing my own inadequacies and insecurities here, and that the bishop in question is a lovely man who exhibited absolutely no side or expectations whatsoever about how he should be addressed.
I got the impression very quickly that he was happiest with his first name only, rather than with any variation on his job title!
"Illyouminate"
Nice touch.
Isn't "Address the Bishop!"
something that Frank keeps saying in Blue Velvet?
Always remember: he's wearing pink underpants
Hugh Dennis's father was the Bishop of Ipswich and I remember him saying in an interview a few years ago that the thing you always have to bear in mind if you meet a bishop is that the chances are he's wearing pink underpants. They wear purple vestments that tend to run in the wash.
One of my patients is an underbishop.
Archdeacon is, I believe, the title. He's a lovely bloke of the right-footed persuasion. We were discussing the various terms of address and he said that, in the Anglican church, they really don't care much about the official titles. So much of it dates from the social heirarchies of the Victorian time when members of the clergy were all absolutely loaded and everyone toadied like mad.
I still call him Archdeacon (his surname) to his face because it is the correct term of address. And I know it annoys him, but, secretly, he likes it.
Bishop Ball
The former Bishop of Lewes was presumably, at some earlier point in his career, Canon Ball.
Why not just
Mr. Bishop?
Glad you were respectful to him Paul and didn't...
...bash the Bishop
Or do anything really terrible.
Like this.