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Actually that's not half bad...

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Yesterday I listened to the exceptionally unloved "Blood On the Dancefloor" album by Michael Jackson. Whilst it sold 11 million copies, the reviews were largely scathing at the time of its release. Whilst there are some hilarious reviews on Amazon, it was viewed in the context of Jackson's "troubles" during the 90s, and so didn't achieve the same sort of cultural impact that his work had hitherto seemed to do.

It probably didn't help that instead of a normal advertising scheme, there was a half hour short promotional film in which Jackson dressed as a fat town mayor, as well as himself and a skeleton. Obviously.

There were some singles from the album, best of all being this:


I thoroughly enjoyed the album, expecting something awful. It had some really good tracks on it. Not "Revolver", or "Rain Dogs", by a long shot but actually quite a good selection of music.

Which of course begs the question. What other works have received a critical lashing, but actually, turned out to be quite good? What are the massive's views on this?

For example, "Around The Sun" by REM, whilst not as good as their own work, it is still enjoyable in its own little way.

And I'm thinking albums by major artists, rather than rattling off a number of obscure artists, or the 7" you made with your garage band in sixth form.

What are the albums that you listen to, and go "Actually, that's not half bad..."?

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I can't forgive him for singing

"Stranger In Mascaough" on "Stranger In Moscow". Was he trying to be a London cabbie or something?

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Anonymous (not verified) | 2 December 2009 - 1:50pm

Be Here Now.

I'm still adamant that it's their true masterpiece. It's coked to the eyeballs, overblown and excessive but so is "there's a riot goin' on" and everyone digs that album.

It's definitely much better than "Morning Glory" and far, far better than anything they've done afterwards.

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newpathstohelicon | 2 December 2009 - 2:27pm

Totally agree with you re Be Here Now

It's the 'Bat Out Of Hell' of the 1990s - ridiculous, over the top, a teetering pile of excess; but all the more loveable for it.

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stimpy | 2 December 2009 - 5:59pm

It does have its longeurs but

and a big but at that: any album that contains "Stand By Me", "D'You What I Mean" and "All Around The World" (the song guaranteed to make me smile however bad I'm feeling) can't be all bad.

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illuminatus | 2 December 2009 - 10:39pm

Neither Fish Nor Flesh

by Terrence Trent D'Arby received terrible reviews at the time and sold about 2 copies - but in fact this is a very underated album, there are some great tracks on it.

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bass_dude | 2 December 2009 - 2:44pm

Fish Flesh Coincidence

I was just about to start typing that TTD's 2nd album was not bad at all when your reply appeared - must be on the same wavelength dude.

Digressing into film, Heaven's Gate is actually pretty good. And Godfather 3 is a near (flawed) masterpiece.

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Stephen G | 2 December 2009 - 2:48pm

Me

too! (Re: TTD NFNF). It must have sold 3 copies!

We need a rehabilitation of old Sananda Maitreya:

http://www.sanandamaitreya.com/

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Black Type | 2 December 2009 - 2:56pm

I didn't know

he was now TAFKATTD!

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DougieJ | 2 December 2009 - 10:46pm

Mid period REM is just as good as the early stuff. Discuss.

no actually don't we'll be here all day. But Monster, Up and New Adventures... have a growing army of fans amongst The Kids too young to know what was supposed to be so great about those 80s albums where the lead singer is mumbling throughout.

Yeah Heaven's Gate. Again there's a whole heap of people who are viewing it now free from all the baggage and the bad reviews of the time and thinking it's brilliant.

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sandamiano | 2 December 2009 - 2:57pm

Green is the one that gets cruelly ignored

After the IRS/mumbly period but before they went stratospheric with Losing My Religion. Orange Crush, You Are the Everything, Hairshirt, Pop Song 89... classic tunes.

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Joe Robert | 2 December 2009 - 5:12pm

REM

I actually rate Accelerate very highly, despite low expectations hanging over from the previous ones. I also love Monster.

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Mavis Diles | 2 December 2009 - 6:46pm

Up

The only REM album I've ever 'got'. I thought 'ah! At last' only to find that everyone else thought it was a stiff. Ho hum...

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Occam | 2 December 2009 - 3:05pm

Prince

in the last two decades has produced some excellent work which ranks alongside his so-called, erm, 'purple patch'. I think there were four main problems why the newer stuff hasn't received the same kind of critical and public acclaim:

1. The contractual dispute/name-changing muddle.

2. His decision to go it alone and do without a coherent distribution/marketing structure.

3. Too much material.

4. Journalistic laziness in using his eccentricities/capriciousness as a way out of giving the music a decent hearing.

I maintain that if some (not all, to be fair) of the later stuff had been put out during his time 'in the sun', they would be regarded as classics alongside his 80's work.

Supporting evidence:

Diamonds and Pearls
Come
The Gold Experience
Peach
3121
Planet Earth.

I understand from reading various reviews that his most recent works, Lotusflower/Mpls Sound, are very strong...but I haven't got them yet due to 2. above. He certainly doesn't make it easy...

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Black Type | 2 December 2009 - 3:33pm

'Black and Blue' by The Rolling Stones...

OK, it's no Let It Bleed, but it's funky and fun and way, way better than its lofty placing on the critical turdometer would suggest.

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Patrick Crowther | 2 December 2009 - 8:23pm

seconded

I spotified this recently because I wanted to find out the depths that the Stones have sunk to. It was a very pleasant surprise. I moved on to Emotional Rescue and even quite liked that one. The stinkers seem to be mid-80s onwards.

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Mavis Diles | 2 December 2009 - 8:31pm

Everyone acts like its the musical equivalent of Lassa fever...

...but "August and Everything After" by Counting Crows is a great record. The follow-up was enough to make me investigate living at the bottom of a disused missile silo for a decade, but that debut was a corker.

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Bob | 2 December 2009 - 8:32pm

Counting Crows

I first heard them on a Danny Baker show; established that the album wasn't available in the UK, spent a fortune on an import copy, only to find that it was released in the UK on the following Monday.

Moral: Check with the record company before spending any money!

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stimpy | 3 December 2009 - 9:15am

August and everything after

is one of my favourite albums. They're much maligned but the crows are quite often brilliant.

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newpathstohelicon | 3 December 2009 - 1:48pm

It's actually news to me

that they're 'much maligned'.

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DougieJ | 3 December 2009 - 1:58pm

Beauty Stab

ABC's second album. Much maligned at the time but I think it's magnificent.

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eddie | 2 December 2009 - 11:26pm

Every

Ryan Adams album since 'Heartbreaker'

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ChaosandMorphine | 2 December 2009 - 11:34pm

Let's re-start the Macca thread!

Wings Wild Life - I delayed getting this album when I was buying Macca's catalogue but it's ace and has a great vibe to it. And it has Tomorrow, the song nobody knows but everyone loves...

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DrJ | 3 December 2009 - 12:25am

My Beauty, Kevin Rowland

If you can ignore 'that' cover of Kevin in his knickers and the sometimes conservative musical arrangements this is a great album.

The songs are delivered with utter conviction, and clearly have deep personal meaning to him. The song lyrics are sometimes changed in a slightly bizarre but obviously heartfelt fashion. It’s soulful, honest and sometimes inspirational (e.g. 'Rag Doll').

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dilbert01 | 3 December 2009 - 9:09am
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