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A Simple Question About The Beatles

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What's the best way to get the whole story of The Beatles?
It may be a book, film or TV series.
I'm 22, and my parents never really liked them. I do. What's the definitive way of learning about their story, other than listening to their records?

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Anthology DVDs

It's their story in their words. Not warts and all but superlative nevertheless.

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dai | 7 February 2011 - 1:10am

I concur

with the above.

Also, watch A Hard Day's Night just to get a flavour of how fab they were and the madness that surrounded them.

For a deeper insight into why the music is still so revered, read Revolution in the Head by Ian McDonald.

For a deeper insight into how the madness eventually consumed them, read You Never Give Me Your Money by Peter Doggett.

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Black Type | 7 February 2011 - 1:19am

The Anthology DVDs

are clearly the best way to go, but at 5 DVDs and 12 hours they may be daunting for a newcomer.

Perhaps the shorter (2 hours) Compleat Beatles DVD might be a better place to start (if you can find it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compleat_Beatles

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mojoworking | 7 February 2011 - 1:31am

"A Simple Question About The Beatles"

TMFHL

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Mousey | 7 February 2011 - 1:35am

Another good book..

The Love You Make: Insider's Story of the Beatles by Peter Brown & Steven Gaines. Came out in 1984. Remember that being a rather good behind the scenes book.

And Ray Colemans Biographies on John Lennon.

Shout by Philip Norman is also meant to be a good read.

Unfortunately, I don't think you'll ever get the full story from one book.

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BJ | 7 February 2011 - 1:47am

After the Anthology DVDs...

Revolution In The Head for the music, Lewisohn's Complete Beatles Chronicle for the events.

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stimpy | 7 February 2011 - 5:19am

'Shout' by Philip Norman...

I'd recommend that. Good book.

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Patrick Crowther | 7 February 2011 - 9:12am

A decent book

but unfairly skewed against McCartney, IMHO.

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Black Type | 7 February 2011 - 10:43am

Sorry but I would never

Sorry but I would never recommend Shout. It's a terribly biased book. Norman is ridiculously critical of McCartney, overstates Lennon's contributions to the band, and treats George Harrison as a complete mediocrity. Ringo is treated as a nonentity. (IMO: Norman's bio of Lennon is more fair in its treatment of McCartney, and starts out good but, for some reason, Norman completely drops the ball on Lennon's post-Beatles life and gives a sanitized version).

Can't Buy Me Love is a far, far better treatment of the Beatles history. And I heartily recommend Peter Doggett's book.

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Lott | 7 February 2011 - 11:25pm

What they said up there

Also, and we're getting into the realms of 'faction' a little bit here, but coincidentally I watched 'Backbeat' again last night. This might be the best way of getting an insight into the madness that was Hamburg, but more importantly is possibly the best way of getting a feel for the importance of Stu Sutcliffe in the early Beatles story - and particularly the way he affected John Lennon.

In contrast, 'Nowhere Boy' should be treated as an enjoyable piece of fiction only.

But really, the story of the Beatles is there in the music - watching the documentaries, reading the books and avoiding the music would be a real case of not seeing the wood for the trees...

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Paul Waring | 7 February 2011 - 10:10am

So right, Paul...

Their story really is there in the music, with a definable beginning, middle and (The) end.

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Patrick Crowther | 7 February 2011 - 10:16am

Avoid Bob Spitz's book

A pile of steaming bee shit (IMHO).

TMF... etc.

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clivetemple | 7 February 2011 - 10:13am

This year

(maybe?) sees the first volume of Mark Lewisohn's three-volume opus on the group.
You'll have to wait around for a decade but I suspect it will turn out to be the definitive text.
I take it you aren't on speaking terms with your parents, then?
I know I wouldn't be.

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ranger | 7 February 2011 - 10:25am

Red Album, Blue Album, Shout, Job Done

Avoid at all costs the Anthology DVD's lest you get distracted by Ringo Starr's stupid haircuts, George Harrison's bad temperedness, Macca's way of saying nothing new or interesting and the whole air of revisionism and point scoring.

Instead grab a copies of Beatles 62-66 (Red) and Beatles 67 - 70 (Blue). and take if from there.

For reading wise start with Shout by Philip Norman which was available in HMV a couple of weeks ago when I was in the UK for 3 pounds which apropos of nothing is 2 pounds 95 pence cheaper than the paperback version I got for a Christmas present in 1982. Thats right in actual terms the price of the book has halfed in 29 years. Its a good read and the best general biography on the Beatles around at the moment, once you've read that there is plenty more for the more advanced Beatles scholar.

Believe me there are plenty here willing to guide you onto the next level.

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apend01 | 7 February 2011 - 11:20am

Oooh.

Are we sure about Red and Blue? I had them for years and years before finally buying some albums (well, all of them), and during those years and years I wasn't that bothered about the Beatles. They're a good selection, but I'd rather hear most of those songs in the album context.

I think you can't go far wrong springing for Please Please Me, Help!, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road. They can be picked up for cheapy cheap if you shop around. The reason I say that is partly because those are my favourite albums, but also because I think they give you a decent representative sample of what the band were up to at different points in their career: pop, ambitious pop, experimental pop-rock and finally the sound of a rock band absolutely on top of their game for one last time.

Also, I can't recommend "Revolution In The Head" highly enough. It transformed my view of The Beatles and is wonderful companion to the music.

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Bob | 7 February 2011 - 11:48am

Revolution in the Head

does it for me. It tells the story of the Beatles as well as providing an increible insight into how and why the made the records they did. Indispensable, plus it's alot cheaper than the DVD boxset of Anthology.

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sirbriancannonhunter | 7 February 2011 - 12:14pm

I'd suggest

Antholgy DVD's
Hard Days Night Film
Shout and John Lennon by Philip Norman
Revolution In The Head by Ian McDonald
Love Me Do: The Beatles Progress by Michael Braun

I have never read You Never Give Me Your Money by Pete Dogget but I hear its a goodie.

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ganglesprocket | 7 February 2011 - 12:24pm

You Never Give Me Your Money

You Never Give Me Your Money is the best Beatles book that's been written in years. Critical of all 4 Beatles at times but he takes no sides and treats them all fairly.

I like your list except for Shout, which I can't stand (as I mentioned above) because it does the opposite of Doggett's book: Norman Idolizes Lennon at the expense of all three of the other Beatles and tells a distorted story in the process.

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Lott | 7 February 2011 - 11:31pm

Seconded re Doggett.

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stimpy | 8 February 2011 - 8:16am

The Rutles Tragical History Tour...

Don't forget these chaps...

http://www.rutles.org/rstory.html

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ella guru | 7 February 2011 - 3:30pm

Mono

Buy the mono boxset. Seriously. I was a Beatle-nut for over 20 years before the mono box came out - it's awesome. I was listening to the mono Sgt Pepper this mornig - it's just better, full stop.

So yeah, mono box, anthology dvds and when I was 14 I read this before actually hearing most of the records:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Beatles_Recording_Sessions

...it's better than any biography.

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DrJ | 7 February 2011 - 3:51pm

Revolution In The Head

is a great read if you've any interest in music. It's about the nuts and bolts of their songs, but it puts it into context as well. I'm not the biggest of Beatles fans but I've read that book at least a dozen times, both alongside the music itself and separately.

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SimonL | 7 February 2011 - 4:24pm

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

I've ordered 'Revolution in the Head' thanks to your recommendations.
I do agree that trying to read or watch about them is missing most of the point, but this should give good detail about their discography and will make me want to explore their music even more..

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TIAL | 7 February 2011 - 7:35pm

Best book about music ever!

All decent bands ahould have a 'Revolution' style book written about them. The Smiths have one and that's ace too. Perfect template for a music book.

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freestuie | 7 February 2011 - 8:07pm

Good point

every decent band should have one.

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sandamiano | 7 February 2011 - 8:36pm

Yellow Submarine

Yellow Submarine (The animated movie) won't give you the whole story but it does hold up surprisingly well.My kids loved it when younger and still view it fondly.Hey Bulldog still rated as a top track by them.

And Paperback Writer by Mark Skipper was a nice fictitious biography of the band. It's years since I read it though so I don't know how well it's aged.

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Ralph | 7 February 2011 - 8:27pm
sandamiano | 7 February 2011 - 8:27pm

Also just thinking about it

the BBC 1990s radio documentary series In My Life: John Lennon Remembered
has some amazing stuff in it. Fascinating interviews, crazy amounts of detail (it was TEN hour long parts) and very much unlike the varnished version of the story than you hear from the participants today. Unavailable on CD of course but available *on the internet* if you catch my drift.

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sandamiano | 7 February 2011 - 8:35pm

oh and Mark Lewisohln's book is finally coming!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0316729604?ie=UTF8&tag=thebeabib-21

ADVANCE INFORMATION The Beatles – The Complete Story

Key Editorial Points: UK Publication Date: 01 September 2011 Edition: Hardback

First part of the definitive three-volume biography of the Beatles

ISBN-13: 978 0 316 72960 4

UK Pub Price: £25.00

Classification: Biography

The Book: Format && Size: R (234 x 153 mm)

Illustrations: 16pp of b/w photos Extent: 800 pp

The Beatles are the cultural phenomeon of our time, arguably – unarguably? – of all time.

In addition to their outstanding and clearly timeless music, their influence still pulses around the world in unaccountable aspects of everyday life. FAB has one aim: to be the all-tile standard word on the Beatles. Comprehensive, objective, unexpurgated and the product of definitively deep-level research, it will set down the whole story, easily, in three volumes.

Volume One tells the early part of the story in two parts: 'Passion' from 1940-62 discusses the beginnings of the band, and 'Explosion' focuses on 1963, the year when everything changed.

Mark Lewisohn is the author six previous Beatles books and has been described by the Independent as the band's 'Emeritus Professor'.

Backlist:

The Beatles Live!, The Beatles: 25 Years in the Life, The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions, John Lennon: In My Life, The Complete Beatles Chronicle, The Beatles' London

Reviews: 'Mark Lewisohn stands supreme. His dedication in getting all the true facts, coupled with a style of writing that is most readable, leaves him with no rival. Time and again he has proven that he knows far more about what we did than any of us' George Martin.
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FAB is the working title one presumes.

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sandamiano | 7 February 2011 - 8:41pm

I thought it was changed to Tune In

when the Sounes Macca biog snaffled the Fab title

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stimpy | 7 February 2011 - 9:04pm

Again, thanks!

This presents a great collection for those who want to get into the band.

You may all hate this, but I really got in to them via Beatles Rock Band. I can hear voices shouting at me now that it's a total sell-outs way to go, but I really do think there is something in these games.
Before playing the games I'd heard some songs but never really appreciated how much the scores vary within the space of a few minutes. Compared to AC/DC Rock Band it's so much more varied in rhythm. Not that I'm nocking AC/DC....

Who agrees/disagrees that Beatles Rock Band is a good way of getting into the group?

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TIAL | 7 February 2011 - 10:54pm

A lot of kids from my generation (late 70s/ early 80s kids)

got into them via the early morning showings of the American Beatles cartoon tv series which is a worse way than getting into them via Rock Band! Still hold the series in some affection despite never having seen it since.

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sandamiano | 7 February 2011 - 11:08pm

I envy

anyone discovering the Beatles for the first time, no matter the route. Though I already had the video, I recall watching 'The Compleat Beatles', in two parts, in our high school lecture theatre not long after it came out. The live footage from Japan was truly startling, though I later realised how jaded and lethargic these performances were. But the suits; that stage lettering (later nicked by the Kaiser Chiefs); the beautiful Epiphone guitars: could a band look any cooler? The end credits, a montage of clips with 'Blackbird' superimposed, were incredibly melancholy. Of course, it was all to be superseded by a welter of material in years to come, but for a teenage fan hungry for their Beatle fix, that video was a great primer. I still have it somewhere, in its super-sized box. *Sigh*.

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Happy Castle | 7 February 2011 - 11:44pm
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