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A reckless prediction.

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I make the following wild prediction. Some people will approve of the Spending Review and think it's necessary. Others will strongly disapprove and want to call the Cabinet various rude names.

Can we take the rest as read?

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The tension

is palpable

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Five-Centres | 20 October 2010 - 12:36pm

I'm with you on this Mr Bear.

Can we please give the heavy stuff the old heave ho for a bit and get down to the really serious stuff such as who's best,Yes or Genesis? Should Bobby Plant get a man's haircut? or is our Lenny's proclivities going to do him long term and irreparable harm?

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Pencilsqueezer | 20 October 2010 - 12:43pm

ok

1. Genesis (up to 1977 anyway)

2. No

3. Its the patients I worry about.

Next!

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Molesworth | 20 October 2010 - 1:16pm

A gold star

and a tick.

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Pencilsqueezer | 20 October 2010 - 1:45pm

Count me in as leader of the

Count me in as leader of the second group.

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toiras34 | 20 October 2010 - 12:43pm

OK.

Could we perhaps conduct a three month leadership campaign? Ideally on another website?

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Bob | 20 October 2010 - 12:46pm

I approve of what you've said

and think it necessary to have done so. That said, I strongly disapprove of something else.

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MyAmericanMate | 20 October 2010 - 12:47pm

Yes.

That's what will happen. As the Khazi of Kalabar once noted: "They will suffer the death of a thousand cuts"

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Richie B | 20 October 2010 - 1:01pm

The entertainment is not pleasing to you?

Fakhir - off!

I am a serial politics offender but I think as I said on one thread its partly because what you lot say is much more interesting to me than what most other forums, websites or news sources have on the go.

I think its been pretty good natured recently - mostly - there really has been very little personal abuse or falling out - but I can understand how depressing/boring it can get.

SO I will attempt to hold my peace - it would be a shame to spoil the mood though I do think that the politics threads show the Massive in an interesting light and not a bad one at that

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FakeGeordie | 20 October 2010 - 3:02pm

I agree but only...

... if the same rules apply to football and other sport based threads.

Otherwise no deal.

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ganglesprocket | 20 October 2010 - 1:14pm

I dont plan on posting

anything about George Osborne and his general twattishness but isnt this censorship? Won't get my vote I am afraid.

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Steve Turner | 20 October 2010 - 1:26pm

Censorship?

It'd only be censorship if I had the power to actually make everyone take it as read. It was just a polite request, I thought, which cut out the middleman of everyone getting aerated with each other while still achieving the same end result: everyone still thinking what they were going to think anyway.

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Bob | 20 October 2010 - 1:36pm

i am not in love (with politicians)

but i'm open to persuasion ...

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Glenbervie | 20 October 2010 - 1:39pm

In fairness

some of the posts on here have caused me to do a bit of thinking, especially on the child benefit front.

That's why, speaking personally and clearly not for plenty of others, I enjoy the political debate on here. Most of it is reasoned, impassioned and, by and large, polite. I don't think I'd debate politics elsewhere on line because you're either preaching to the choir or you end up knee deep in abuse.

So shut your festering gob you tit. Your sort make me puke. (Obligatory Python reference).

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Molesworth | 20 October 2010 - 1:44pm

I'm afraid the OP original thesis

could apply to most threads on this and most other of forums. Not a reason to stifle discussion though.

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Chris G | 20 October 2010 - 1:51pm

I'm afraid the OP original thesis

could apply to most threads on this and most other of forums. Not a reason to stifle discussion though.

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Chris G | 20 October 2010 - 1:51pm

I know others

have already said it, but those who dont like the political posts, do what I do with threads that don't interest me. Ignore them. Reading them is not compulsory. As the Hep says, its infinite inventory round here, political threads are not stopping something else being debated.

The price you pay for being on the website that offers "entertainment for lively minds" is those lively minds often think about all kinds of stuff.

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Molesworth | 20 October 2010 - 1:40pm

To be honest...

...I was only being a smartarse in the OP. I'm generally pretty active on the politics threads, and I'm very much in favour of the diversity of topics and opinions on the blog in general.

I don't think anyone is particularly persuaded by any of them, though.

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Bob | 20 October 2010 - 1:50pm

You've got a point

Given that many of the posters on here are of a certain age, most of us will have had our politics shaped by 30, 40 or more years of experience. At this stage it's unlikely too many will undergo a Damascene conversion to the other side.

But even though I disagree vehemently with some of the posts, debating with people from other parts of the spectrum does at least make you re-examine a few of your own beliefs / prejudices to see if they still hold up.

And just because their views come from diferent experieces to mine doesn't make them any less valid.

Even though they're wrong :)

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Molesworth | 20 October 2010 - 1:58pm

You'd be surprised.

I am now a Tory.

*kicks crutch away from disabled child*

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ganglesprocket | 20 October 2010 - 2:28pm

A reminder to myself, as much as anyone...

In this blog, along with the classic 'someone is wrong on the internet' cartoon, I found this quite amusing, and worth us all remembering from time to time ;-)

Outraged readers who wrote to H. L. Mencken would receive in reply a preprinted card:

Dear Sir or Madam:
You may be right.
Yours sincerely,
H. L. Mencken

(I have also seen this story attributed to Mark Twain, Alexander Woollcott, Edward R. Murrow, and several other controversialists but it rings truest for Mencken.)

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DougieJ | 20 October 2010 - 1:31pm

Another reckless prediction

The Thread "Political Threads" which questioned the need for political threads turned into a political thread (I only dipped my toe in it - but didn't it get onto politics in Chile?). I'm sure courses in textual analysis have a phrase starting with "meta" for this phenomenon.

So I predict that this thread will also turn into a thread about politics. I don't really mind - whichever politician who said it was right, when he was supposed to have responded to a question on a subject which didn't interest him with "a complete ignoral."

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Melville | 20 October 2010 - 1:53pm

I cleverly called this

phenomenon a wordhole.

Wordhole
noun

A thread that starts out as an attack on a topic only to become a forum for said topic.

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jimmyshoes01 | 20 October 2010 - 2:31pm

Well

I hate [insert a name here]. If you think they are good, then you are rubbish.

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BigJimBob | 20 October 2010 - 2:02pm

The above cut out and keep

argument starter works just as well with politicians OR musicians. Try it at home for hours of fun with the family, or better still use the internet.

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BigJimBob | 20 October 2010 - 2:06pm

I hate beetroot

Sprouts are much better.

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Black Type | 20 October 2010 - 2:43pm

No they are not

whereas, Beetroot is full of antioxidants and vitamins and has a psychedelic effect on your poo.

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BigJimBob | 20 October 2010 - 2:58pm

It is possible...

...to like both.

In a Stones/Beatles or Oasis/Blur stylee.

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Neil Dyson | 20 October 2010 - 3:58pm

wellll yesss

but if you were in a burning down house situation, which would you save. You have to nail your colours to the mast, Neil.

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BigJimBob | 20 October 2010 - 4:37pm

neither

?

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Los Aromas | 20 October 2010 - 6:55pm

"a psychedelic effect on your poo"?

So do sprouts if you cook 'em long enough. Smell those crazy colours man.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 20 October 2010 - 5:54pm

Don't like beetroot.

Do like sprouts. Both raw and cooked. They do, however, especially if given a good boiling, give me the catastrophic d'oylies.

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Lenny Law | 20 October 2010 - 11:02pm

Here be Excessive Irony

Now hang on, this is absurd. And it must stop.

Here we have a post from a bear - an animal - who is also a self-professed idiot, making wild predictions whilst at the same time refusing to state its position regarding one of the most important debates of our time. Surely this is indicative of the kind of well-balanced, hippy-garlanded, wafty-tofty liberalism that has dragged the once great tradition of internet message boards into the gutter of blandness and pleasantry.

I am sick to the back throat of the extent to which this blog groans under the self-congratulatory weight of polite people: seeing one another's point of view, agreeing to disagree, acknowledging that they may not have all the answers and generally getting on. Is this the sort of thinking that led to the creation of a Massive Empire on which the Sun never sets? Is this the attitude that crushes lesser magazines' blogs under an iron fist?

I know that we can change. I know that we can be unreasonable, irrational, and irritable. I know we can exploit our anonymity and make sweeping generalisations about subjects on which we are not qualified to express ourselves. I know that the time is coming when we can stand proud before the message boards of other rival publications and cry, "I am a Massive Member!"

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Con Coleman | 20 October 2010 - 2:16pm

Outside, Coleman, now...

...whilst I teach you some manners ;-)

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Richie B | 20 October 2010 - 2:29pm

Coleman? Typical!

Bloody miners, always agitating...

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Molesworth | 20 October 2010 - 2:49pm

Is this what they call

Coleman Balls?

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James Blast | 20 October 2010 - 4:07pm

This spleen was made for ventin'

Better a miner than a Major, as we said under the last Tory government.

(I'm actually a shy, cardigan-hugging greenie...)

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Con Coleman | 20 October 2010 - 4:57pm

Can I do Jasper Fforde's pun

about the right to arm bears yet?

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skirky | 20 October 2010 - 3:41pm

Con Coleman?

A miner and a tory no less???????? How can you live?????

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ganglesprocket | 20 October 2010 - 2:53pm

It really is a great pity that it wasn't

the other Osbourne that was made Chancellor.

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happy harry | 20 October 2010 - 3:31pm

Kelly?

.

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Bob | 20 October 2010 - 3:36pm

Any one of the family would have been better

but I was hoping for Ozzy

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happy harry | 20 October 2010 - 4:41pm

??????

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ganglesprocket | 20 October 2010 - 3:58pm

Ozzy for Chancellor

On that subject how about
Stuart Cable for Business Secretary or Brian May for Home Secretary,
let's go the whole hog - Cameron Diaz for PM!!

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coates36 | 20 October 2010 - 5:02pm

Wilko Johnson for Shadow Chancellor

...or perhaps Mayor of London

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Richie B | 20 October 2010 - 5:38pm

Danny Alexander

looks like an inflated nutsack.

Political analysis - not hard is it?

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jimmyshoes01 | 20 October 2010 - 7:16pm

Nah.

He looks like Josh Homme's less studlike little brother.

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Bob | 20 October 2010 - 7:38pm

Nice story about George Osborne in The Times today.

Back when he was a young apparatchik and honing a speech for someone, Lord Archer is trying to stick in his ten-penn'orth. Osborne tells him where to go. Archer, miffed, tells the upstart that his ignorance is why he will never achieve success and wealth in the way that he, Lord Archer, has done.

"Which just shows how little you know about me" Georgie-boy retorted, tartly.

I could almost respect him for that.

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Lenny Law | 20 October 2010 - 11:12pm

Except

Osborne was probably gleefully thinking to himself, "Archer obviously hasn't heard about my absolutely huge trust fund, then, heh heh heh".

Smug little git.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 22 October 2010 - 1:05pm

Eh?

What else would he have meant?

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Lenny Law | 22 October 2010 - 1:56pm

Ten penn'orth

Used to be two not long ago.
That's inflation for you.

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jimmyshoes01 | 22 October 2010 - 3:36pm

Success and wealth

are not synonymous.

Archer could easily have been being dismissive of Osborne's likelihood of making a success of himself, irrespective of any latent wealth.

I'm of the opinion that Osborne on the other hand, being an oik, probably considers that wealth does equal success.

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Vulpes Vulpes | 23 October 2010 - 10:18am

And thinking about Idiotbear's original theory..

I think he's right.

And might I add a refinement?

A lot of very wise economists will be consulted. Some will agree with government policy, others will disagree.

The economy will continue to trundle along with ups and downs.

The economists will continue to argue.

Those whose predictions were shown to be correct at any point in time will say "Aah, told you so."

Those whose predictions were shown to be incorrect will say "Yes, but just wait and see. My predictions will come true."

And they probably will.

And the first lot of economists will say "Ah, yes, but just wait.."

And The World, The World turns around..

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Lenny Law | 20 October 2010 - 11:20pm

As outlined rewardingly,

if challengingly, in Nassim Nicholas Taleb's The Black Swan (The Impact of the Highly Improbable).

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DougieJ | 21 October 2010 - 12:15am

A reckless prediction?

Anne Widdecombe will win "Strictly Come Dancing"

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Dave Amitri | 20 October 2010 - 11:35pm

My GLW

and her friends all say that La Widdecombe's dance partner Anton (Tony) DuBeke (Beek) is by far the best dancer on what we must call 'Strictly'.

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DougieJ | 21 October 2010 - 12:17am

One of my patients, an ex-pro dancer, now dance teacher..

..agrees.

She says they're all completely shit-hot dancers and not just doing it because they look good in a bit of glittery string or a pair of tight trousers but Anton is, apparently, streets ahead of the rest of them.

I only watch it when Ola Jordan's dancing. For two very big reasons.

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Lenny Law | 21 October 2010 - 4:16pm

Ample for a regiment

I'd say

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Molesworth | 21 October 2010 - 4:21pm

I'd never heard of her

Don't google her name...

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Richie B | 21 October 2010 - 6:14pm

I did

she didn't match up to my pneumatic standards, I won't post examples

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James Blast | 21 October 2010 - 7:24pm

Blimey Jimbo...

...one page of google images could wetnurse the population of a small continent. You obviously have exacting standards...

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Richie B | 22 October 2010 - 5:08pm

this is

tr00

in fact this is more true ( * ) ( * )

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James Blast | 22 October 2010 - 9:15pm

And, lo, the audience figures for Strictly were seen to rise..

As were other things.

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Lenny Law | 22 October 2010 - 11:11pm

"What have you got there Dud?"

"It's er - it's just a seed catalogue Pete"

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Mousey | 23 October 2010 - 12:27am

My reckless prediction …

…a long term substantial rise in crime, poorer social cohesion, and a general feeling of wasted resources reminiscent of the 1980's. Cheer up folks, Christmas is on its way!

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Marky | 23 October 2010 - 11:19am
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