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A modest proposal for the BBC - close Radio 1
Okay, taking the part of the Devil's Advocate.
So, the BBC is tasked with providing a product that is distinctly different to commercial providers. Now, when I tune in to it, I can clearly hear that Radio 6 is doing that already. Would a commercial broadcaster do anything like, say, The Freak Zone?
Radio 2 is also fairly distinctive, given that its target demographic is quite similar to stuff like the taxi drivers fav, Magic FM. I can immediately tell that I am listening to Radio 2 when I randomly spin the dial of my old analogue radio. I think it goes without saying that Radios 3 and 4 are also supplying something different.
This leaves Radios 1 and 5. Are these REALLY so different from what is provided by other commercial sources? Certainly, if I do my random dialing experiment, it is often initially difficult to decide whether I have Radio 1 or Galaxy, Radio 5 or Talksport; that is until the incessant BBC idents/trailers start up - which occupy just about as much time as commercial ads.
Conclusion: surely, if you were going to cut back the BBC commitment to radio broadcasting, the first place to look would be these two stations.
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You've fallen into the trap
Although I'd agree that 7am-7pm the output of Radio 1 is hardly superior to that of countless commercial stations, after 7 it begins to spread its wings. Peel may be gone, but there are lots of shows championing new music and bringing niche and under-appreciated stuff to an audience it wouldn't get otherwise
I'd agree with the after prime time point
But surely what happens outside this time is that Radio 1 becomes more like Radio 6? I think my argument still holds. Okay, why not broadcast Radio 6 style output 24 hours a day and call it Radio 1?
because it wouldn't be
because it wouldn't be 'youth'. Which is Radio 1's main objective.
In the 90's when there was the big shake-up at R1 it did go a bit that way and was roundly attacked for declining numbers and not appealing to it's intended audience. I think.
sorry I don't understand
Why wouldn't it be "youth?"
Well, it plays quite a lot
Well, it plays quite a lot of 'old' music, it doesn't play much current 'pop' and it's DJ's are all relatively old (admittedly so are some of R1's but I think they're getting the push).
I know this plays into quite a patronising/generalising view of 'youth', but the majority of 'youth' I've met (I'm a guitar tutor) tend to be far more inclined toward R'n'B/Hip Hop/Pop than 6music's indie guitar type output. To make 6music into a 'proper' youth radio station would render it unrecognisable.
Just a thought I've had...
... but a lot of young people really like old music, especially now. Downloading has made a lot of young people spread their searching terms and lets face it, all music is new the first time you hear it, nomatter when it was recorded.
circular arguments
Don't forget the two lines of attacks are;
1. If it is popular it is getting in the way of commercial broadcasters, and
2. if it is niche then it is not successful and should be shut down.
The end game of all of this is the attempt to close the BBC (or at least bits of it) by people who think they can make money if it goes, and cannot make that money if it remains subsidised by the public purse.
Personally only listen to Radio 5, but then again I am 48, and should be the grandfather of Radio 1's target audience.
Not sure it is
Radios 2 and 4 are different and popular
Also
I don't think Radio 1 is that similar to Galaxy or any other commercial station. It does take more risks with the playlists and certainly plays more guitar based stuff, whatever that's worth. Plus it's really popular os it must be offering something different
What about people who only listen to Radio 1?
What about people who only listen to Radio 1? Or watch mainstream light-ent on BBC1? Why should they be forced to take out a compulsory subscription (which is what the license fee essentially is) for niche programming?
It's like forcing Sun readers to buy a Word subscription. It might be nice, but it wouldn't be right.
The BBC isn't just there to service niche markets or even for 'stuff commercial stations won't do'. It's for everybody, because everybody has to pay for it.
No it isn't
Radio stations are free to the end user. TV and magazines are another matter.
They weren't 'free' last time I paid my licence fee
They weren't 'free' last time I, or everybody else, paid the licence fee.
The BBC is not "non-commercial". The licence fee is a commercial transaction. Everyone has to pay it. Everyone is entitled to something in return. Not just minority audiences.
BBC Radio is free to those with no TV.
The BBC Radio License was scrapped in the early-70s.
If you don't have a TV license, you can listen to BBC radio output free of charge. BUT, the TV license (despite it's name) funds BBC Radio so anyone who pays the TV license fee is funding the radio listening of those with no TV.
According to the BBC, the TV license pays for:
"- the television channels BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC News, BBC Parliament, CBBC and CBeebies;
- five network radio services, plus BBC Asian Network, and digital radio services BBC 1Xtra, BBC Radio 7, BBC 6 Music and BBC 5 Live Sports Extra;
- regional television programmes and Local Radio services in England;
- national radio and television in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland;
- BBC Red Button, BBC Mobile and the BBC website (bbc.co.uk)."
I don't object to the principle of the licence fee at all
I just think the idea that the BBC should not be providing programming for Chris Moykles'n'the lottery types and should be about worthy plays and obscure indie music all afternoon is blatantly unfair, elitist nonsense. The BBC is obliged to service the crass mainstream audience as much as the chin-stroking one. On the "he who pays the piper" principle. But it's a tricky business to get the balance right.
This comes back to the fundamental question:
What is point of the BBC?
Should it be a one-stop shop for all your broadcast media needs - competing with commercial broadcasters where necessary? If so then Radio 1, BBC 3 etc are totally justified as they address a market segment that no other BBC service serves.
OR
Should it be the 'safety net' to provide output that the commercial sector won't serve? If this is the case then Radio 1, Radio 2, BBC 1, BBC 3, News 24, etc should be canned as they appear to be providing a service that is available elsewhere.
This second option does of course then open the can of worms labelled 'Why should I pay for a BBC that doesn't serve my needs"
Nicely summed up in a nutshell, stimpy
I think you've summed it up in a nutshell.
But if it's the second option I don't see how the licence fee can possibly be justified? You can't say to the mainstream audience (R1 etc.), i.e. the vast majority of BBC consumers: you have to pay for us but we're only going to serve people with more rarified, or what we think are more elevated, tastes.
The BBC licence deal is a bargain that the vast majority of people accept: pay the Beeb an annual sub and they'll lay on a broad range of entertainment/news, some populist, some highbrow etc. You won't like all of it, but you'll like some it. It's a good deal and, on the whole, it works. And as for the "R1 and R2 listeners have plenty of commercial stations that do the same thing" argument, well I think an important part of the deal is being able to listen to an entertaining pop station all day without interruption from adverts. That's part of what you're paying for.
I don't think it could be justified
You'd have to have a privately funded, subscription BBC - perhaps funded like PBS in the US or possibly as a Sky-style subscription.
That raises the question, would you pay (say) £15 a month for a package of BBC2, BBC4, Radios 3, 4, 6 & 7, Asian Network, BBC Parliament.
Of course, we're then effectively moving the BBC into a totally commercial organisation - albeit one subsidised from BBC Worldwide income - so what happens when one or more of these subscription channels don't pay their way? Who subsidises them then?
OR
Do you just say that a much-shrunken BBC will remain and be funded/subsidised from the Exchequer on the grounds that, like so many other taxation funded services, the channels not duplicating commercial stations are 'important' and should be made available to all. You could, perhaps, make a valid argument along these lines for BBC Parliament, Asian Network, Welsh language, Scots Gaelic - but more mainstream channels (including 6 music)? I don't think that'd wash.
I think the Word website...
should cut costs by axing two of the three radio threads, because although this thread meets the demand of those people who wish to see Radio 1 closed, and 'The Times Reports...' thread serves those who wish to view the issue from a more political perspective, those needs can also be met by the broader remit of the 6Music thread.
The announcement about the
The announcement about the closure of 6 Music is a disgrace. For all of us that listened to John Peel under the bed-covers, 6music is the station we were waiting for. Whats more, as we grew up and became licence fee payers 6 music is the first thing to get mentioned when we defend the BBC. We love this station - we pay for this station, we want it to continue.
Popular music is a vital element of our collective culture - it should be celebrated and nurtured. Radio 1 and Radio 2 do not provide the service that I want and that I want to pay my licence fee to get. To state that 6music has to go as commercial radio can do its job is a lie. What commercial station plays Faust, Nancy Elizabeth, Culture, Northern Soul, the Felice Brothers, The Broken Family Band etc. etc.? John Walters said that public service broadcasting is not giving people what they want, its about giving people what they don't know that they want. That doesn't mean patronising and pushing what you consider to be culture on folk - Walters was never a punk fan but he saw its worth as a lively, vital and vibrant twist in the story of popular music -hence all the punk bands on the Peel show - public service broadcasting is about having someone (Peel), or some station (6music) there to listen to all that there is and then bring the best of it to a wider and appreciative audience.
Everyone who cares about the legacy of Peel and Walters should get on to bbc.co.uk/bbctrust and vent your spleen and show your appreciation for this truly great station. The BBC management has to be made to change its mind. I know that there is a lot of management speak in the Strategy Review - but these people are management so we should expect it - somehow they have to made aware of what an important station 6music is and waht an inportant, unique and much loved service it provides. Its roots as the bastion of the BBC archive to back to one of BBC management's most famous sons. As Ken Garner points out in his mighty book 'The Peel Sessions' it was John Birt who ensured that the BBC session archives were transferred from magnetic tape to a digital archive - a cultural legacy that remains unique in the history of not just British but world culture and that has added so much to making 6Music the magnificant station that it is. If pop music can have a multi-million pound attraction at the O2 in the British Music Experience - we deserve and demand a pubicly financed radio station that reminds us what was great about the past and keeps on introducing us to the best of the new stuff.
This decision to axe 6music stinks. The digital strategy for radio stinks. Something is rotten with the proposed transfer from FM to digital radio and 6 Music is being sacrificed. It is not expensive to run. It has never been given a chance. Its schedules do not appear in the newspapers, it has very little if any advertising - at a time when the most preposterous and expensive TV adverts were created for Radio 1. I'm a DAB fan, I#ve got loads of em even portable ones, however it is clear that it is DAB radio that has failed not 6 music. It seems that we will be waiting years until DAB is in every car. If the BBC put 6music out on FM and promoted it properly it would easily get millions of listeners.
Save 6music - the presenter line-up has never been bettered- its a rosta of the finest. For an insider view see the Andrew Collins blog 'Where Did it all go Right?' . Educate, Agitate, Organise. Tell the BBC that it cannot get away with this.
DAB in it's current form will never be in every car
as it's implementation in the UK is so seriously flawed as to mean FM will continue to be the default choice for most listeners.
The standard more likely to catch on worldwide will be DAB+ or even the DRM 'Digital AM' being rolled out in many countries,
To demonstrate the stupidity of
the 'commercial radio wil take up the slack' arguement all you have to do is rephrase it thus:
Then stand back and wait for the outrage. It all boils down to the same thing. 6music is popular music's Radio 3, taking chances and playing things you will not hear elsewhere.
haven't got to time to read the above
I just think offering up any bit of the BBC is self defeating nonsense. The people who would see it broken up will take everything offered and come back for more. Lots of people are offering the bits they don't like. I personally would junk radio 3 but as we know this will never happen or will it. People are largely happy with the varied bits of the BBC they consume so apart from prunning the excessive spending on mamangement etc why change anything the whole thing is a bargain.
An alternative suggestion
from the letter pages of today's (Glasgow) Herald: nothing to do with me, I just thought it rather good and guessed that some of the Massive will agree:
"Alan McGibbon makes an excellent point when he suggests a major economy for the BBC would be to reduce the numbers of reporters sent to various events and situations (Letters, March 2).
May I add the reporting of, and commenting on, various sports? My bugbear is the game of snooker. During the last BBC televised competition, I counted a total of five people being paid – at my expense – to present the programmes at any one time.
Two were being employed to tell me what I was watching on the screen; one was the anchor person in the studio; and two were in the studio to tell me what I had already watched, and comment thereon. As the personnel changed from time to time, I have no idea of the total number involved in the week’s programming.
Even with indoor bowls, at least two commentators appear to be necessary to tell me what I am watching. Although not a fan of the noble game of football (the “soccer” type), I also note that there always seems to be a plethora of people commenting on the game that has been played – and, in many cases, watched by those listening to the post-mortem comments.
There is, obviously, a need for a commentator on radio broadcasts but, surely, no more than one person is required for television broadcasts – and that only to explain some finer point of the sport for the benefit of newcomers.
It would be interesting to know the precise amount spent on so many commentators. It is, after all, my money.
Rev C Brian Ross"
A view in The Independent I agree with:
Presumably Radio 1 listeners will be let off the licence fee
Presumably Radio 1 listeners will be let off the licence fee then?
You can't expect them to pay it and not get any benefit, i.e. an ad-free mainstream pop/entertainment station. "Ad-free" is a huge benefit, one that Spotify charges £9.99 a month for, and Radio 1 listeners have paid for it. And the BBC's primary duty is not "music discovery" or "supporting up-and-coming acts" it's to entertain the nation, including the mainstream mass market.
Perhaps there should be room for 6Music, but not at Radio 1's expense.
I'm not convinced
I'm not about to argue that Radio 1 should be dropped, but how many Radio 1 listeners actually pay the licence fee? I should imagine that the number of R1listeners who pay a licence fee is probably less than the the number of 6Music listeners who pay; this demographic is less likely to have to pay household bills due to their age.
Obviously this doesn't mean that they shouldn't have a station aimed at them, but I don't think the license fee argument stands as an argument for keeping Radio 1.
Interestingly this audience is cash-rich and is highly desirable for any advertiser and therefore for commercial startions; it strikes me that if anything is treading on the toes of the commercial sector (and would be replaced if it wasn't provided by BBC) it is Radio 1.
As Stimpy
points out upthread radio listeners do NOT have to pay a licence fee - that is solely for watching TV broadcasts on a TV.
I'm making the presumption
I'm making the presumption, which is also the presumption on which the license fee system is based, that most households that listen to radio also have a TV and pay a license for it. And the deal is that this money is also used to provide a broad-ranging radio service too. Including a mainstream, youth-oriented ad-free pop entertainment station. I haven't listened to Radio 1 for about ten years but my daughter does. And I pay for it through my license fee.
The BBC needs to grow a spine
and stop rolling over and kicking its legs in the air every time the Daily Mail, Rupert Murdoch, David Cameron or anyone else with a clear vested interest in damaging its fortunes sticks the boot in. From "Crowngate" (and how ridiculous was THAT light breeze in a teacup, looking back?) to the Blue Peter cats to the 6Music debacle, it needs to be more robust in defending itself.
And it's all very well complaining the Beeb has an unfair advantage over its commercial rivals, but you didn't hear them complaining when the boot was on the other foot, and those rivals were coining it in during the boom years. It's like the banks - that attitude of expecting profit without risk - all over again. Perhaps if the commercial alternatives weren't so unutterably dire - have you ever a heard a non-BBC Uk radio station that wasn't unlistenable? thought not - we might have more sympathy.
It's also worth pointing out that most of these rivals came into the game much later than the BBC. So, for example, Rupert Murdoch decides to throw his hat into the broadcasting ring in a country that's already well served by the finest broadcaster in the world, and THEN starts complaining that it isn't a level playing field. If a small family grocer wakes up one morning to find they've opened a Tesco next door, he's every right to feel aggrieved. But if he opens his store in Tesco car park...
This is what I would do
Get rid of digital because that is the biggest thing that keeps BBC 6 Music from having a wide audience, most of it's demographic isn't able to get it.
I would instead make Radio 1 and Radio 2 into two streams covering popular music and entertainment, with the remit to provide shows that suit all demographics, leaving the "best" mainstream shows and mixing it up with the best of 6 Music and Radio 2 and the Asian Network and everyone really. Have different slots for different programmes, keep the best after 7 Radio 1.
So the youth would get less and so would the 6 Music fanatic. But they would all get something and that something would be the best example of what they enjoy.
I would make everything available on listen again and really really push this service so that people would understand that they can listen to "their" radio whenever suits them.
I would also make everything into podcasts that people could download and listen to anywhere (sticking to this silly no music rule I guess as that isn't something you can solve through programming.)
I would also make a branch of the BBC specifically devoted to creating and sourcing podcasts, with some podcasts being made straight for the net.
Listen when you want is the future of radio and of TV. DAB isn't really working out though so lets stick with FM until everything eventually moves to the net and live streaming / podcasts.
These changes in the way that we will get and consume our entertainment will eventually break up this rigid adherence to brand identity and demographic programming, people will source what they are interested in, and listen to it when it suits them. That can and should really free up the BBC to make less filler and offer more diversity,
Bit 'web-centric' though, isn't it?
What about all those people who pay their TV license but can't/don't use the iPlayer/podcasts (for whatever reason). Your proposal would surely deny them access to core programming?
Digital Britain
those without access to fast broadband (not a vanishingly small number) might rightly get a bit narked by that. But the whole sorry tale about Digital Britain and broadband speed is already an old one.
Not at all.
My proposal moves everything onto FM making it accessible to all.
It also puts planning in place for a future that seems likely when everyone has broadband.
Certainly the affluent lot who listen to 6 Music (which includes most of my friends and most wordsters) are likely to have high speed broadband.
But yes, I anticipate a future where one pays the licence fee for accessing the BBC online. Or some other system for payment for it, such as a donation system.
Personally I don't pay my licence fee because I don't watch TV. [Note: This is legal and the BBC are fully aware that we don't pay the licence fee.] I do however watch a lot of iplayer and listen to a lot of radio and download a lot of BBC podcasts. I would actually be much happier paying for them than I was when I did have TV and had to pay for lots of programmes I didn't watch and when I regularly missed the few I liked due to not being free at their time of broadcast.
Also everyone has access to free internet acess in their local libraries and I don't see why a deal couldn't be struck between the BBC and the library service where the public could come in and access podcasts and download them to their computers. For example the libraries could have a designated computer that automatically downloads all BBC podcasts. A user would simply need to plug in their mp3 device and copy over the ones they liked.
This would increase the BBC's reach in exchange for them publicising the many great and free and public services provided by libraries. It would also increase library membership.
But the future is coming. More and more people have pretty fast internet on their phones let alone at home, and while I am aware that there are still many who don't have such things due to poverty or do not have internet skills due to lack of exposure/training these numbers decrease all the time, and as mentioned above their are some services in place to help to reduce this even further.
The people who pay for it
The people who pay for it perhaps have a certain right to pontificate, or at least air an opinion, about what or how the BBC does what it does. But the people who don't should keep their traps shut.
that's a bit rude
I payed my licence fee for the years I was required to by law and I actively encourage the law to make it apply to the iplayer even though that will mean I will have to pay it.
I also have BBC DVD's in my collection and have in the past have had their Videos so I have contributed to them financially.
I didn't realise I was pontificating. More suggesting my hypothetical solution to the problem that people see in 6 Music being axed.
Obviously no one is going to listen to me. I don't expect them too.
You make a fair enough point to an extent. But I'd appreciate a bit less rudeness if that's okay.
But then I guess since I don't buy the word magazine I don't have the right to that.
Sorry, goose, it was a bit rude
Sorry, goose, it was a bit rude.
But so many aspects if this argument just really get my goat. Not least, the snobbish idea that the thick plebs that just want Chris Moyles and Graham Norton should just leave their money at the door and then fuck off to Capital and ITV so us Independent readers can enjoy some "quality".
And if everyone followed your example just who exactly would be paying to make the stuff you download, stream or watch on i-player? The tooth fairy?
I agree with you
although most stuff I download for free isn't made by the BBC.
I agree that the licence fee should cover the radio and Iplayer. But it doesn't. And don't watch TV and I don't have very much money.
I do work in the public services though and so does my significant other.
And yeah the snobbery is a bit much. But then people are just wounded because what they love is being threatened. It is no less fair to cut off Independent readers who like quality than it is to cut off Chris Moyles fans. The BBC should represent all of them surely.
Notably though I have never suggested that mainstream tastes should not be represented. And my own suggestion was to try and maintain everyone's representation in a realistic way.
Richard I think you are making a straw man out of my argument
I do NOT hold
I LIKE popular entertainment. I am happy to watch TV burp and X-factor. They are good family entertainment. My kids DO listen to Radio 1, I just think that it is not really distinctively different from what many other stations are offering and I think they'd agree. As I said Radio 2 and 4 are popular AND distinctive.
What kind of annoys me is
that 6music is being portrayed as a niche station (true) that is not cost effective in the current climate.
Conflating the recent Rajar stats and the figures showing licence fee breakdown from the Guardian, the cost per 100,000 listeners of 6music is nearly 3 times lower for 6 than Radio 3 (but it's agreed that 3 should be there as it's culturally important) and is actually only around 11% higher than 5 live (separate costs for 1xtra and weren't available). Asian Network was nearly 3 times higher.
What irks me is that the decision is shot through with inconsistency: it's being closed for a reason, so what actually is it, all the waffling and politicking aside?
(I think my maths is right - some of it's been done in a hurry)
Sources:
http://www.rajar.co.uk/listening/quarterly_listening.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/mar/01/information-beautifu...