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A friend's take on Mad Men

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"I get it. People in the recent past dressed very well and that nearly makes up for their Bernard Manning outlook on life. Funny for about 20 mins then just a bit bleak."

He and I tend to agree on most things when it comes to popular culture, and I think he's pretty much hit the nail on the head there!

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No...

...just no. Totally engrossing for however long 4 series lasts.

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mikethep | 7 April 2011 - 6:51am

But

But it's not supposed to be funny and a lot of the time it's supposed to be bleak. It's a costume drama set in a time that a lot of people can remember. I can't wait until season 5 .... but I'm going to have to!.

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JohnW | 7 April 2011 - 7:03am

Personally, I don't get it either

I'm on a hiatus at the moment, but I'm two series in and still waiting for this incredible television that everyone's going on about. It strikes me as magnificently mediocre.

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Lucas Hare | 7 April 2011 - 7:12am

Yep.

Knowing, smug, style-over-substance yawnfest. I've tried, I really have. No heart to it at all, either.

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Bob | 7 April 2011 - 7:17am

I stuck with it

all the way to to the penultimate episode of series 1. I really tried to like it, but I need to like at least one of the characters, and I just found them all dull.

I had the box set and I still couldn't bring myself to finish it.

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VincePacket | 7 April 2011 - 11:40am

Heart?

A series about adverstising and you want heart?

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Archie Valparaiso | 7 April 2011 - 11:50am

Watched Season 1

No desire whatsoever to watch Season 2. Felt like it said all it needed to say in the first four or five episodes.

See also Breaking Bad. I managed three episodes before deciding it wasn't for me.

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Paul Waring | 7 April 2011 - 8:51am

Hate to say this Paul

But you are terribly wrong about Mad Men and almost as wrong about Breaking Bad.

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Ola Claesson | 7 April 2011 - 10:54am

I am terribly wrong about lots of things Ola

Of that I have no doubt ;-)

I have gven both a reasonable crack of the whip - and I can see (in the case of Mad Men at least) where the appeal lies (and it's been very well articulated elsewhere in this thread)

...but they are clearly not for me.

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Paul Waring | 7 April 2011 - 11:38am

Don´t worry

It´s a human right to be wrong, isnt´it? :)

I´m glad you gave them a fair chance before discarding. Especially Mad Men takes a while to get into. It´s slow.

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Ola Claesson | 7 April 2011 - 3:38pm

Why does it need a message

1. I'm not sure why, as an entertainment show, it needs to have a message.
2. The first half of the 1st series is absolutely nothing like the 4th series. But if you didn't get through season one you're probably best to steer well clear of season 2 which took about 5 episodes to get going. The only reason I stuck with it (and I've been amply rewarded) is because I liked season 1 so much.

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JohnW | 7 April 2011 - 1:08pm

Horses for courses

I adore Mad Men.

Particularly Roger Sterling's rapier wit.

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Spartacus Mills | 7 April 2011 - 8:54am

Love Mad Men

An excellent programme with a great cast of characters.

Don Draper; who one minute you have enormous sympathy for and then he blows it by doing something or saying something that makes you think "you tosser"

Pete Campbell; a loathsome weasel who always expects everything to be handed to him on a plate, and gets peturbed when it doesn't happen that way.

Roger Sterling; Mrs S. actually asked "what does he do?", well, he drinks, smokes and lusts after Joan...and is as old school as they come.

Joan; lovely, lovely Joan.

Peggy Olsen; the heart of the programme, who has to deal with these Mad Men on a daily basis, and still maintain her dignity.

I love Mad Men and I can't wait until Season 5.

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David Sutherland | 7 April 2011 - 9:06am

I find Peter Campbell quite interesting..

He knows what the right thing is, but his own baser instincts always seem to take over when it comes to the crunch. Each time it happens you can see the potentially decent person getting smaller and smaller in him.

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BernkastelCues | 7 April 2011 - 4:34pm

Setting

I've just watched one series so far but I think it's great - it's far more than it's setting. If you wanted, couldn't you reduce pretty much any show to it's setting in this way?

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kidpresentable | 7 April 2011 - 9:34am

Have loved Mad Men since

the beginning, some tv programmes strike a chord and others don't but for me the style and dressiness is a small part of it for me; it's the development of the characters, the wit and the fact that almost every episode has a car crash element to it. It has characters I care about and dislike and I am still coming to terms with what Don did at the end of season 4.

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Francis Barry-Walsh | 7 April 2011 - 10:22am

Absolute tosh I'm afraid

A PC version wouldn't ring true. It's historical. It's set in the past when things were different. What doesn't your friend get about that?

Quality drama, but clearly not for everyone.

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Five-Centres | 7 April 2011 - 10:26am

If it doesn't have space ships or kung fu in it...

... then it doesn't get watched.

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ganglesprocket | 7 April 2011 - 11:07am

I've been having similar problems lately...

...explaining the attraction of space lobsters to Eng Lit fans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerando_%28novel%29

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Glenbervie | 7 April 2011 - 9:14pm

Mad Men is the best TV ever

Mad Men is the best TV ever made in my opinion. I'm not one to get excited about a show but I really do love this one.

I love that its not obvious. After years of really bad stuff like 'Lost' being made I find it a real breath of fresh air that a tv programme exists that isn’t formulaic & can be exciting even though it plods along at a slow pace.
I think that the pace of it is why some people love it & some don't. This is just my humble opinion of course but I have always struggled with a show that has to spoon feed suspense & shock! Shock in this programme can be Peggy calling Don 'Don' & not 'Mr Draper'!
My favourite thing about it is that things happen off screen that you don't see, it make it all the more subtle & realistic for me.

In fact, i'm going to start watching it again from the beginning, it might help with the wait for series 5!

EDIT - me & my girlfriend enjoyed it that much we named our cats Betty & Peggy

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seanioio | 7 April 2011 - 11:15am

I am still amazed at how credible

Mad men remains. I sort of get the appeal it's for people who were children at the time the series is set reliving what they perceive as their parents lives(or possible lives) hence the clunky exposition. Is there a cultural event that can't be shoehorned rather clumsily into each show?

The main character played by someone called "Hamm" natch is massively unappealing and uninvolving and doesn't seem to have evolved any during the whole run.How many times a show does he sit on the edge of a bed and rub his temples wow he's like deep and troubled.
It doesn't even have the benefit that Soprano or Wire had of the jeopardy of main characters getting whacked at any moment. Why do you care why these people succeed, they are not even that interesting let alone likeable?

Even the drama is clunky in a recent episode a character covered up his past by getting the company to drop a major government contract and this was passed over in matter of seconds. Govt contracts in advertising are a gold mine companies fight for them tooth and claw not walk away from them at minutes notice.

Also I love the stereotypical English characters, sure British ad agencies had/have their share of Toffs but also plenty of wheeler dealers and smart suited barrow boys. So being shown as a repressed public school again is a little tiresome and obvious.

As for the style and setting well that's a matter of taste but it's obvious that they can't afford too many external scenes and have tried to make it a virtue meaning that sometimes it seems abit forced all this shagging in offices etc. I know the interior shots are meant to reflect the intense nature of office life etc but often you just think they just couldn't afford to shoot this scene in a park.

Oh as for the sex appeal you would think nobody had seen a pair of tits before. Also the damp palm types presumably aren't the same people who are very snippy of Jack Vetriano's work which is basically a series of Mad men storyboards. http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&rlz=1T4DKUK_en-GBGB302GB302&q=jack+...

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Chris G | 7 April 2011 - 11:23am

But apart from that...

...you quite like it?

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Spartacus Mills | 7 April 2011 - 11:30am

Watching

people at work in an office in the fifties.

Really did not float my boat at all.

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jimmyshoes01 | 7 April 2011 - 11:56am

You've just reminded me

of those mechanics from Harry Enfield. "Did ya see that Mad Men on telly last night? It was just a load of people working in an office in the fifties! What the bloody hell's all that about?"

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Spartacus Mills | 7 April 2011 - 1:31pm

Well the U.S. TV networks think it's about the setting

Coming soon we have Pan Am (60's flight attendants) and Playgirls (Hugh's first Playboy club.)

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MrSib | 7 April 2011 - 12:48pm

Is'nt a metaphor for radical change in America in the 60's?

Don is the ideal US everyman: handsome, successful, amoral and driven by his desires. But with no roots and coming from nowhere but poverty in the 30's. Everyone else is an American stereotype interacting with him. Jews, beatnicks, proto career women, big chested dames, blacks.

The series starts in 1960. Really, if you leave aside the war, US society,ideas and attitudes hadn't really changed that much since the 1930's. But over the next 10 years to 1970 just about everything the Americans thought about themselves is at least called into question - womens rights, gay rights, segregation and the treatment of coloured people, their military invincibility, increasing secularisation in the rampant consumerist society of the 1960's, the environment etc etc and so on.

To me, thats what it's about - reflecting the changes in American society and what they mean through the eyes of one of it's winners, in that most American of professions, advertising.

I think it's brilliant.

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BernkastelCues | 7 April 2011 - 1:27pm

but most of that reads like

the index of GCSE sociology text book not the plot for an entertaing drama serial. Seems to ignore the fact that things change slowly over time and these epoch making events don't just happen one day like in Mad Men .Half the time it looks like the writers just type in "May 12 th 1962" into wikipedia and try to put in whatever factoid pops up.

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Chris G | 7 April 2011 - 5:22pm

But it's drama, not real life.....

They have to speed it up and bring some dramatic licence to it.

And did I get a pass on the Sociology dissertation?

yours hopefully

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BernkastelCues | 7 April 2011 - 6:21pm

I thought the point of these longform

series is that they DID have the time to develope things and not rely on simpistic plot points.

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Chris G | 7 April 2011 - 8:39pm

Not ten years though..

So far they've taken about 48 hours to reach 1965. Thats quite long televisually, unless it's almost real time like Corrie. Established UK classics like "Our friends in the North" did it in about 4.

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BernkastelCues | 8 April 2011 - 12:14am

Quality TV

Shame it's gone over to s**

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Fuzzy | 7 April 2011 - 4:29pm

Says it better than I could

I'm not going to rant about what's wrong with it again here. I can't be bothered. But this says most of how I feel, in a far more articulate manner:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/feb/24/mad-men-account/?pa...

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Lucas Hare | 7 April 2011 - 4:57pm

I LOVE IT!

The clothes, the guys, the broads - the typography, omfg the typography.
Never watched an episode though.
Haven't felt the need to.

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badartdog | 7 April 2011 - 6:28pm
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