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I see that Mark Thomposn has confirmed this morning the closure of 6 music.....what a shame.

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It's up to the BBC trust now

Would lots of angry emails make any difference?

I'm very pissed off at this news.

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MrSib | 2 March 2010 - 11:38am

email bbc trust!

trust.enquiries@bbc.co.uk - dont let them close 6 music!

its the best place to find out about new music and the only radio station that some artists get played

like The Hornblower Brothers for example, what will they do?? and where will i ever hear them on the radio again!

save 6 music!

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borisgustaffson | 2 March 2010 - 2:51pm

I missed the boat on this the other day

could some kind soul put up the details of how and where I make my protest?
Im not the biggest fan - most of it is bloody annoying, some of it essential. Im a lazy git usually but this is important.

I dont want my money spent on BBC3, or even BBC1 and BBC2. I just dont watch em.

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D.Green | 2 March 2010 - 11:51am

"I dont want my money spent on BBC3, or even BBC1 and BBC2"

Well there is system whereby you can decide for yourself what you choose your money to be spent on. It's called the free market, i.e the very system that people who adore the BBC hold their hands up in horror at.
And, of course, left to the free market, broadcasting would most likely be wall to wall rubbish.
If you accept the principle of the licence fee, i.e. that the Beeb effectively takes a compulsory subscription fee from every household in the country and uses that to provide as broad a range of 'entertainment/information' as it can, you have to accept that some of your money will got to things that aren't for you. You can't have it both ways.
Maybe the BBC is trying to do too much.
And commercial companies who say that it is stifling their business opportunites have a point.
Some of us have to earn a crust in the private sector.

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Richard Lowe | 2 March 2010 - 1:07pm

Commericial stifling

They made that point on 'Today' earlier. And I admit it sort of makes sense applied to News (although I can't see why the BBC has to become 'more rubbish' in order to make things 'fair' for commercial outlets that are 'already rubbish')

What commercial enterprise is stifled by 6music or the Asian network though? XFM? They could have made that argument once (in their early days they 'were' basically 6music) but not now, not really. They're in competition with R1 now I would have thought. I gather there's a Punjabi digital station but I don't think it's comparable to the Asian network (I'm going on the names and the Asian network's reputation - I'm admittedly fairly ignorant of either station personally).

I do think sometimes the BBC spreads itself too thin, the digital stations are often the best example of this. There's not enough new content on BBC4 for instance. But by and large they've spread into areas that the commercial sector doesn't really bother with. I suppose BBC is an exception in this and that might be why people pick it out for attack.

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sam and janet e... | 2 March 2010 - 1:26pm

Let me clarify

I meant that I dont want the money spent on 6 music (for example) being diverted into the proposed increase in programme spending for BBC1, 2 and 3. for the very reasons that you state - they are trying to compete with the free market 'wall to wall rubbish'. Wether you get sniffy about the quality of 'Celebrity Pets on Ice' or not, more of that stuff just means more and more of the same and therefore less choice. Im happy for my money to be spent on the margins even if i dont like it. I wouldnt want them to divert money from radio 3 for example although i have no interest in it.
I just want them to follow their original, quaint Reithian principles, but ,then again, Im young and naive.

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D.Green | 2 March 2010 - 2:28pm

As I argued on another thread

I don't think BBC should just be for niche marginal audiences. Everybody has to pay for it so everybody -to the extent to which you can fulfill everybody's wants from a wide-ranging broadcasting service - should be catered for, including people who like mainstream junk. It's a difficult balance to strike and on the whole the BBC manages it pretty well.
As far as 6 Music goes I've never actually listened to it (or any other digital station - R2, 4 &5 are all I need) but it always struck me as something that exists more because there are people at the Beeb and its accompanying trades (Djs producers etc.) who want to make it than there is much demand for it, or any yawning gap in the BBC's output.
David Wright made a good point in a post a couple of months ago that the old Radio 2 audience, i.e. people who like pre-rock'n'roll 'light music' aren't served by the BBC anymore. It's just as valid an audience as say R3's classical one, or indeed people who want to hear Andrew Collins playing goth/indie records at 'drive time'. And it's one often stuck indoors all day where radio might be quite important to them.
As I say the BBC can't do everything. And choice is bound to involve disappointing some people.

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Richard Lowe | 2 March 2010 - 3:53pm

Although the size of the audience for whom

'pre rock and roll light music' is the default choice is now shrinking rapidly. Most people born since 1950 will have grown up with rock and roll (in the widest sense of the word).

In another 20 years, anything 'pre rock and roll' will likely be covered by Radio 3.

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stimpy | 2 March 2010 - 4:13pm

Yes, but

My point was that the BBC can't provide a tailor-made radio station for every niche audience. And, although it may not be at a place like the Word blog (or indeed the BBC), 6Music is a very narrow niche.

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Richard Lowe | 2 March 2010 - 4:25pm

Have you read...

...Mark Thompson's full report? You should. Amongst its many absurdities is a line where he talks about 6Music not having a large enough audience to justify its investment (actually the phrase he uses is 'hasn't brought enough unique listeners to the BBC' whatever the hell that means) but recognising that it would be likely to achieve such an audience if it were marketed better. But then, because the demographic of this audience would be one that's very appealing to the commercial sector, 6Music would still have to shut because the BBC can't hinder the growth of the commercial sector.

I could spend the rest of my life dissecting that argument but the key error is that the 6Music audience will find what it needs elsewhere when the station closes - either on the likes of R2 or commercial stations.

This is such patent nonsense it makes me want to weep.

Maybe you're right to say that the BBC can't have a station for every niche (although it covers a fair few). But in most cases commercial radio fills the gap.

Your example of ex-R2 listeners who have nowhere to go now it's gone modern (my parents for instance) - well, they listen to Magic or Smooth. Not a perfect copy of old style R2 but close enough.

There is nothing that replicates what is offered by 6Music. And it's not just the music, it's the whole package - quality of broadcasting, range of programming. Even if XFM or NME radio occasionally plays something that's not by the Killers or the Automatic I have to turn off as soon as the cretin behind the microphone starts speaking.

In what way is 6Music a very narrow niche? It has an incredibly eclectic range of music - far more than any other BBC station. What I presume you mean is that the audience that wants an eclectic choice of music is a small one. Even if that were the case - which I doubt - is it not the remit of the BBC to provide a service to this kind of audience when they can't find it anywhere else?

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stevelake | 2 March 2010 - 5:06pm

Not read the full report, no

Don't think I could stomach a full dose of BBC-management-speak-gobbledigook. But I heard the 'takeaway' headline on the bulletins: that the BBC should concentrate on trying to do fewer things better. And I think it makes a certain amount of sense.
Obviously nobody likes seeing things close and it's especially disappointing/annoying for people for people who work there and the small but dedicated audience, but the BBC simply can't provide everything that everyone might want it to provide. It's a question of juggling resources and in the case of 6Music it's been decided resources could be best used elsewhere. Maybe it measn we'll get more of those really good BBC4 music documentaries?

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Richard Lowe | 2 March 2010 - 6:43pm

And of course

some of us couldn't even receive Magic or Smooth even if we wanted to. I can't, certainly not digitally. My choice is non-existent.

Thanks, Mark.

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illuminatus | 2 March 2010 - 7:02pm

A narrow niche?

Eh?

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D.Green | 2 March 2010 - 5:11pm

Don't know

have already sent one, but if it could make a difference then will send even more and even more angrier. Perhaps Mr H could advise whether this is it for 6 Music.
But yes very bad news, and very f****d off

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Mint | 2 March 2010 - 11:51am

Where you send it Mint?

Ive got 6 music on now and Lauren Laverene had to go to a record because she was about to lose it.

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D.Green | 2 March 2010 - 12:06pm

Disgraceful

is this the sort of backwards society we are heading into ? where anything decent gets cut to the bone

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MrRadio | 2 March 2010 - 11:59am

Only Reason ....

...I got a DAB radio - will drive me further to looking for alternatives on the net.

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Tony Donaghey | 2 March 2010 - 12:00pm

DAB radio

6 was also the reason I bought a DAB radio. I have to admit to not listening so much over the past couple of years but I always wished it well. I am listening this morning online and I now wished i'd supported it more recently.

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art vanderlay | 2 March 2010 - 12:07pm

I guess...

that's the problem. The core audience don't tune in.

it's like when we all get upset about record stores closing, but then we hardly ever go

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Chimney Singing... | 2 March 2010 - 12:42pm

I always wanted to listen

But I just couldn't get a decent reception in my corner of West Reading.

It's even worse now I am in NZ - my DAB radio doesn't work at all!

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Merv | 2 March 2010 - 10:16pm

I think the BBC are bluffing...

I reckon the BBC is calling the government's bluff on this one: keep sniping at us to save money, and this is what the actual consequence will be. The fact that they've lumped the Asian Network in too is a bit suspect to me; that's the sort of thing that Auntie would be expected to keep. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Beeb are trying to rally public opinion across to their side; after all, this is the sort of thing that would change the public's mind on the license fee debate: now we can all see that WE will lose something, whereas before it was all an abstract argument about the money we shell out for the license fee.

Personally, I'd rather the BBC lost Three. Aside from the short period several years ago, just before it well and truly became it's current E4-cloning self, I don't think it's ever really justified itself. The criticism of it being a direct, and intentional competitor with E4 is never more valid than now, and I think it would be the least missed, in comparison to top-end imports (which collectively, if not individually, are a major attraction), BBC6, and a home for the emerging Asian scene (in addition to the Beeb's existing commitment to music of a black origin).

If the BBC dilute their American content, they will lose out to C4 and Five, and Sky, which will radically change the face, and value, of it as a mainstream entertainment draw in the eyes of the public. Besides, whilst I'm thoroughly behind any move that secures spending on the future of homegrown TV magic (specifically the industry that makes it), isn't the argument about American shows being as rotting to the system as junk-food (and everything else that comes from that nation, with the exception of foreign policy!) an outmoded, somewhat xenophobic argument that should have been put to bed a decade ago?

I personally don't listen to BBC6, and do find it rather affected at times, but I'd much rather there was a home for solid journalism - as Radio 3 is to classical, so is BBC6 a contemporary home to the Baby Boomer generation, and beyond - however, I'm aware that I'm saying that from my age and standpoint. The youth market is obviously a major demographic, and, like the ethos of banks - snag 'em while they're young - the BBC has to at least pitch into the rabid commercial market. Even still, isn't Three something of an extravagance?

Beyond that, I can see that the BBC has grown a mammoth online presence, that in terms of commercialism has perhaps become somewhat excessive at the cost to the public, but if you line this up against

a) the government's supposed commitment to online (both in terms of industry, and efforts to bridge and burn up the digital divide); and,

(b)the news this week that TV indies, such as Freemantle, Tiger Aspect and North One, have recognised the inevitable and unstoppable shift of content onto the internet, in the guise of branded content, by joining forces with a company called JWT; then it all looks like they'll be cutting their nose off to spite their face. The BBC should be investing in the internet as a secure home for the next generation of content consumption; not shaving 25% of it off.

That said, if it forces those workers out into the commercial sector, and creates a new equilibrium, where they become the innovators of future online production/content consumption trends, then it may be worth it in the long-term.

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the_saint | 2 March 2010 - 12:24pm

In that case...

...there was a guy on the Jeremy Vine show on Monday 15th Feb who was from the BBC Trust (David Liddement or summat) who spoke with forked tongue when he said 6Music was to remain but might have to become a broader church. He either knew f-all or was a f-ing shameless c**t.

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kb | 2 March 2010 - 12:17pm

Why not consider that

he is both?

I agree that 6music is great but as the listener count is so low (however loyal) and digital radio dying on its backside its a no brainer for the bean counters and those executives viewing a BBC hating Tory government on the horizon. They seem to be chopping off a finger so they don't lose the whole arm

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DogFacedBoy | 2 March 2010 - 1:40pm

Maybe he was telling the truth as he saw it

He represents the BBC Trust and not the BBC itself.

My understanding is that the BBC have announced they wish to close 6 and Asian Network. The BBC Trust have to consider and ratify (or otherwise) this proposal.

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stimpy | 2 March 2010 - 1:55pm

The demographic of those on the BBC Trust Board......

wouldn't fill me with confidence.

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Six Dog | 2 March 2010 - 2:32pm

Just out of interest what demographic mix would you suggest

could fully satisfy the requirements for a Trustee?

- A commitment to the BBC and an understanding of the challenges facing public service broadcasting
- The ability to represent licence fee payers' views
- A willingness to engage with the public and to represent the public interest
- The ability to work effectively at board level or its equivalent

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stimpy | 2 March 2010 - 3:25pm

But overall the BBC isn't making cuts

Is it? Aren't they just reassigning expenditure- £600 million being diverted into programme making, if I've understood correctly. I'm not in favour of 6 being cut, but I not sure if it's a good or bad idea until we see what this money will be spent on. I don't know when that will become clear.

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Melville | 2 March 2010 - 12:17pm

Youre right of course, lets wait and see

and we can all complain when the cash goes on more episodes of My Big Fat Gay Teenage Son and a 20th run for 2 Pints of Lager......

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art vanderlay | 2 March 2010 - 12:25pm

Very Disappointed

At my brothers house and have 6 on as we always do at our respective homes , what are we going to listen to now ? There is nothing else like 6music especially during the day .
I'm too old for Radio1 (drives me up the wall) .There's no other daytime station that plays such a variety of old & new music or caters for the likes of us that used to listen to Peel.
Lauren's just played The Verve & now we're getting Funkadelic!

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jamesieboy37 | 2 March 2010 - 12:27pm

If the BBC has to make cuts

what should they be? I'm wary of the "don't cut this, cut that" approach, not least because who is to say that their choice is more deserving of being spared? I never listen to 6, 1, 1Extra, 3 or 2, and never watch 3, so my instinct would be to save BBC1, 2 and 4 and Radio 4, but I'm sure many would disagree.

What should the criteria be for sparing from the axe? Viewing/listening figures? The broadcasting of content not available elsewhere? The volume of support?

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ceepee | 2 March 2010 - 12:29pm

BBC3

Whilst I agree that BBC3 is fairly loathesome I'm not sure how helpful it is to play one off against the other. I don't direct that at people on here, or any other 'forum', but they were barely able to contain their resentment of BBC3 on the Today programme.

Which is, as I say, understandable as much of 3's content is poor but it makes it sound like a minority (and I suspect it'll be percieved as an ever-unfashionable, middle-class minority at that) going "Don't cut things we like, cut a (popular) thing that we don't like".

Always a joy to hear Peter Bazallgate (sp?) spouting drivel like a whale full of twaddle though. Imagine how much better the world would be if he made all the programs.

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sam and janet e... | 2 March 2010 - 12:41pm

And we know things are tight at the Beeb

when that Mark Thompson fellow can't even afford a razor. Perhaps that's the only cut needed...

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Humphrey Plugg | 2 March 2010 - 1:04pm

But I'm not sure BBC3

is popular amongst any demographic. If you want salatious or shocking then other channels (ITV2, Five) probably do it better. If you want late teen/young aldult drama than E4 would be a better stop. BBC3 has turned into a bbc me too channel that they just cannot get right.

The remarkable thing is that I probably first invested in digital TV about 6 years ago on the basis of the programming on BBC3! it seems inconcievable now that anybody would do such a thing (and in fact was at the time as well, it seemed a lot better when I didnt have it then when I did and realised that the Mighty Boosh was not the best thing on it, rather the only thing on it, oh and 15 Stories High.

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art vanderlay | 2 March 2010 - 1:05pm

Protest

To those asking about where to protest - by all means sign as many petitions as you can find but the most effective course of action is to email - trust.enquiries@bbc.co.uk

You will get an auto response at best but as this is the BBC Trust they have an obligation to at least register your complaint and the more they have to deal with the more impact they will have.

There are other moves afoot but this is the way to go for now.

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stevelake | 2 March 2010 - 1:56pm

Blessing in disguise

..might the BBC feel obliged to be seen overall to continue to serve the music audience and so look to invest in more content for other radio stations or TV that would appeal to a 6 Music audience.

Personally sounds better than a station with '30+'-somethings shouting about indie &/or Ian Dury

Will miss Maconie's Freak Zone though

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tim tunes | 2 March 2010 - 2:07pm

Tim

'30+'-somethings shouting about indie &/or Ian Dury

Thats funny, it was a bit of a Dury love fest for a while wasnt it!

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art vanderlay | 2 March 2010 - 2:19pm

And where exactly...

...do you see this wonderful new content going? Radio 1? Radio 2? In place of what?

This is Thompson's whole/only argument - just stumbled through on Radio 4 - that the best of 6Music will find a home on Radio 2. And this at the same time as Radio 2 is being told by the BBC Trust to increase its commitment to spoken word, arts and comedy.

Are you really telling me that the BBC is going to risk alienating the existing listeners of its most popular station by imposing content from other stations? Can you really see Steve Lamacq replacing Jeremy Vine on the lunchtime show?

The best we'll get is a couple of additional 6Music style shows (maybe with poor homeless 6Music presenters) on in the middle of the night.

The whole reason 6Music was created in the first place was because there was no room elsewhere - BBC or commercial - for that content. Nothing has changed in that respect.

And I don't know who you've been listening to on 6 who 'shouts' (now that Lamb has been put out to pasture). It's the least shouty music station I know.

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stevelake | 2 March 2010 - 2:27pm

Freak Zone is the only thing I will miss.

I cannot abide the majority of presenters on the station. They are either woefully inept, unfunny or so full of their own 'cool' that listening brings on a state of terminal cringe.

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Steerpike | 2 March 2010 - 11:17pm
Hot Cider | 2 March 2010 - 11:35pm

I miss Gideon in the morning

First Jupitus at brekkie, then him - top stuff.

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illuminatus | 3 March 2010 - 12:24am

Oh yes, golden period

Rate Gideon, think he's a good un'

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Mint | 3 March 2010 - 3:42am

Gideon

Is sitting in on the breakfast show all this week. Which somehow makes it even more painful in the week they've announced the station's closure.

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stevelake | 3 March 2010 - 12:38pm

What a pisser

So we can't have Feakzone and Jarvis' Sunday Service, but we can have "I'm Hotter Than My Daughter" and "My Big Gypsy Wedding."

Aa Alan Partridge would say: "This Country!"

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Futurenoir | 2 March 2010 - 2:47pm

My Big Gypsy Wedding was on Channel 4

Just because you don't like BBC3 doesn't mean everyone wants it abolished.

I'm sure all good stuff will surivive. Expect FreakZone to turn up on Radio 2.

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Five-Centres | 2 March 2010 - 4:14pm

Where on Radio 2 exactly?

Who will make way for it? And where will Jarvis go? Mark Riley? Gideon Coe? Lauren Laverene? Adam & Joe? They can't all end up on Radio 2.

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Futurenoir | 2 March 2010 - 6:50pm

Disgraceful but not without precedent

I confess of course to a little "side" as a 6Music listener, I would be very sad to see the station go.

6Music at its best is like a good local radio station for people who share a mindset rather than a physical location. There have been other BBC Radio stations like this - early Radio 5, GLR, Matthew Bannister's beautifully ruined post-DLT Radio 1. They never survive for very long. They don't make sense to management by committee and it's hard to quickly build an audience outside the core constituency of the kind of people who read The Word!

If you have to cut the BBC on draconian lines, Radio 1 goes as it offers very little that isn't covered by the commercial sector. It's a pop station. Same for 1Xtra. Radio 2 keeps people in a vast age bracket amply entertained, I don't see where that would go. The home service, the second and third programmes are probably going to survive in perpetuity.

I'm not sure about 5Live!

On TV you merge the arts/lifestyle output of BBCs 2 and 4 and put news, current affairs and sport on Three. The BBC doesn't need a rolling news channel, there are half a dozen commercial alternatives (and as shows like Newswipe or The Daily Show amply demonstrate, rolling news is a deeply flawed format anyway).

I feel some pity for the private sector because the BBC has become enormous. But the response of the private sector enterprises, particularly in radio, has been to render their product blander and more generic. Exposure to most local radio is reason enough to nail your ears up.

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John Allison | 2 March 2010 - 3:02pm

'The Second Programme'

I don't recall there being a 'Second Programme'. You mean 'The Light Programme' surely?

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stimpy | 2 March 2010 - 3:28pm

Sorry

Yes of course the Light Programme, what a fule I am

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John Allison | 2 March 2010 - 5:36pm

In days past, 6 Music would I guess I have been referred to as

'The Heavy Programme'

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stimpy | 2 March 2010 - 6:50pm

It's all political chicanery......

Just Thompson protecting what he can right now before Cameron or whoever slices the limbs post May. Thompson has already shown his yellow belly by ripping 5 Live away from London in an attempt to head Culture and Media off at the pass, this is another vain attempt at protectionism. This time, he's offered the wrong sacrificial lambs.

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Six Dog | 2 March 2010 - 4:11pm

May as well fling the DAB Radio in the bin now

6Music wasn't just the alternative: too often if you wanted music it felt like the only option.

For example, on the way into work this morning, even without the excitement-free zone that is Chris Evans we had Radio Two playing the likes of The Mavericks amid much waffle, and, as usual, Chris Moyles was not playing any music at all on Radio One, but talking his utter shite.

Well played BBC. Now if I want to wake to music in the morning and face the day with equanimity it had better be my own stuff. I will be investing in new technology, and it won't be a DAB radio.

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Doods | 2 March 2010 - 4:18pm

Im just watching

Andrew Harrison of this parish, beautifully arguing the case for keeping 6 music on BBC NEWS

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D.Green | 2 March 2010 - 4:41pm

To me the argument is crazy

"The BBC shouldn't be muscling in on stuff the commercial sector already does" says Mark Thompson (I paraphrase)

Fine - a perfectly valid point, which I would agree with to a limited extent.

So what does he propose?
a) cut the only specialist music station which is not served by the commercial sector (those who cite xfm need to remember that it is even less accessible than 6Music)
b) cut the Asian network which provides specialist broadcasting to a particular minority group. (I'm no expert on Asian culture but I do know that no all "Asians" speak Punjabi so even if there is a Punjabi commercial station it won't cover all the potential Asian listeners)

Or am I missing something?

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Humphrey Plugg | 2 March 2010 - 6:57pm

This is not a done deal

From the Guardian website.
"The BBC has given the first hint of a U-turn over plans to close its digital radio station BBC 6 Music, after a furious backlash from listeners, trade unions and some of its own staff."

From the BBC Trust Chairman.
"If we find that... there's massive public concern that we need to take account of then we will go back to the director general to rethink the strategy before it's approved."

Its too soon to give up on 6Music. Keep those protests going to the BBC trust if you feel strongly about it.

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Dipsy | 2 March 2010 - 9:17pm

I haven't seen the figures

But I think out of all the BBC radio stations, 6Music must be among the cheapest - I'd guess only the archive-reliant Radio 7 is cheaper. I think it's also true that the per listener cost is by far the highest for Radio Three. Yet it is thought we should keep Radio 3 because it's a Good Thing. I just can't understand the thinking that says we should keep Radio 3 but not 6 Music if the idea is to save money to invest in more quality programming. (But that's not really the idea, is it?)

Not that I think Radio 3 should be cut either. Both networks perform services for new music (in different genres) not provided by the commercial sector.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 2 March 2010 - 9:37pm

BBC O Gram

If you want to see some figures then this presents a lot of them very well.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/mar/01/information-beautifu...

It's quite horrifying to think that if the BBC got rid of Norton and Robinson they would be well on the way to rustling up enough cash to keep 6Music going.

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JohnW | 2 March 2010 - 10:29pm

Radio 3

Does this directly impinge on the "commercial output" of Classic FM, a nationwide FM frequency?

If so, isn't Thompson being mighty hypocritical?

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Six Dog | 3 March 2010 - 12:39pm

No. Classic FM has a repertoire of popular, light classics

whereas Radio 3 takes the music 'seriously'.

As an analogy: Classic FM = Radio 1 whereas Radio 3 = 6 Music

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stimpy | 3 March 2010 - 12:47pm

ATTENTION - TO ALL AT WORD TOWERS

David/Fraser

How about The Word facilitating a petition or some such to present to the BBC about the 6Music closure?

All in the name of choice too. I bore my wife senseless with my railing about how there are more channels than ever, but you're scratching around to find one decent programme per evening!

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masked tortilla | 2 March 2010 - 9:52pm

Radio 3

gets around 2 million listeners with digital, on-line and FM formats.

6 music gets around 700,000 with digitel and on-line formats only, missing the format most likely to bringin the new and the mobile listener

Therefore, the obvious thing to do is to keep it, keeping tight control over the costs (as they should be doing in all areas anywhere) and then split some FM band width away from either radio 3 or 4, both of whom have clear reception in my area on at least 4 different frequencies.

This would enable 6 to reach at least the figures attained by 3 and thus secure its long term future as a popular alternative to the mainstream.

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art vanderlay | 2 March 2010 - 11:02pm

FM frequecies.

You're not familiar with how the FM transmitter network works. You may be able to pick up adequate coverage on four FM frequencies, but that's just because you happen to live in a area with adequate reception. The network is arranged in such a way that everyone will be covered by one transmitter, but because of the way the transmitters are arranged there are bound to be areas that overlap. The power varies vastly between transmitters too.

Turning off any one of the transmitters carrying Radios 3 and 4 will deny any reception of the service to many.

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JQW | 2 March 2010 - 11:27pm

I've not been a regular 6Music listener...

...but am nonetheless saddened by the decision to close it down. I am firmly of the view that if it was on FM, it would have much better listening figures. Like many people who work long hours, most of my listening is in the car and I can't really listen at work on iPlayer either. We only have one DAB radio at home (in the kitchen) and I've never got the leisure time to listen to much radio at home. If it was on FM, I'm sure I'd listen in the car.

If the Tories get into power in May, I'm pretty sure the BBC model as it exists now will be on borrowed time - today's announcement smacks of trying to head off worse cuts at the pass by getting in first.

Maybe some kind of public subscription model will be the future. I don't actually agree with it - have you ever listened to public radio in the States? They are forever begging for subscribers and donations to stay afloat and in many ways that is worse than the moronic advertisements you get on commercial radio.

I've read the comments about Radio 1 and I think that its day time output isn't much different from many commercial stations, whereas the nighttime output is more adventurous. Why not drop the big name DJs on daytime Radio 1 and put out something more eclectic and interesting on FM day and night? Let the masses tune into Galaxy or Virgin!

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Mr Sparks | 2 March 2010 - 11:32pm

Well

I figured it wouldnt be quite that simple and thought that it would be likely designed to give each area at least one strong signal, however I drive up and down the country week in week out, from the London area to the Edinburgh-Glasgow corridor and I guarantee that if i scroll throught the FM dial it will stop at least three times each for radios 1, 2, 3 and 4! do they really need such a safety level to ensure coverage?

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art vanderlay | 2 March 2010 - 11:38pm

Hills, mainly.

Its hills and other geographical features getting in the way, blocking areas from coverage.

There's about 40 or so major FM transmitter sites covering the majority of the UK. There will be some overlap - it's impossible to construct a network that doesn't.

There's also a lot of lower power relays installed just to serve the areas not covered by the main transmitters due to hills. Some of these are very low powered - for example the 25kW Holme Moss transmitter which serves a vast amount of the North of England has several relays running at just 20W or less, each serving just specific communities.

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JQW | 3 March 2010 - 12:06am

Make your voice heard, The Massive

This...is the consultation. Hardly accessible but fill it in and make your voice heard.

https://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/departments/bbc/bbc-strategy-re...

Join the save 6 Music Facebook group which is nearlly 100,000 strong now.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&gid=278123313911

http://www.love6music.com/

Fraser, would it be possible for The Word website to add add a "Save 6 Music" ad linking to the campaign page?

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Dr Volume | 3 March 2010 - 3:42am

Lamarr

Just a quick one to say that music has been targeted elsewhere at the BBC, specifically on Radio 2.
Lamarr's 'Shake, Rattle & Roll' is in a will they/won't they stage at the moment and his brilliant 'Alternate 60s' programme appears to have just been quietly laid to rest.

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ranger | 3 March 2010 - 10:05am

Yes

Doesn't bode well for finding a home for all that 6music content.

They can hardly get it right with he good content they do have, so how would they cope with more of it?

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illuminatus | 3 March 2010 - 12:32pm

Speech

Especially when they've decided that they want Radio 2 to move to 50% speech during the daytime!

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JohnW | 3 March 2010 - 1:18pm

Listening

to Mark Thompson on the radio yesterday trying to square all of these new and conflicting directions he was promising that radio 2 was going to move in made great radio, the guy was obviously out of his depth and seems not to have thought the whole thing through. It still barely makes sense whichever way you look at it (except for saving a few quid)

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art vanderlay | 3 March 2010 - 3:06pm

Which leads to...

What would be the point of five live at that point, with three BBC national stations with significant speech content (2,4,5)

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illuminatus | 3 March 2010 - 3:07pm

And thinking about it

Surely at least 5 live extra should be in doubt, I am sure this station has a very low audience reach, albeit it probably has a low cost base as well, braodcasting sport already paid for.

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art vanderlay | 3 March 2010 - 5:24pm

It's only part-time.

Five Live Extra is only a part-time station, only broadcasting when needed. It can be off air for days at a time.

On DAB its bandwidth is used by other stations when off air; on digital TV platforms they broadcast a simple pre-recorded barker loop instead.

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JQW | 4 March 2010 - 12:18am

Facebook Group

the Facebook group has added 16,000 names overnight...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=278123313911&ref=ts

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thecolonel | 3 March 2010 - 1:32pm

but how many of them have actually registered a complaint

with the BBC Trust?

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stimpy | 3 March 2010 - 2:58pm

As long as these proposed cuts at the BBC

don't impinge on another series of "The Persuasionists" I'm happy.

Now THATS what I pay my licence fee for...

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Retro Man | 3 March 2010 - 3:10pm

A friend at the bbc

tells me that they do not listen/register twitter or facebook

use the official complaint form because it has to be officially logged.

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D.Green | 3 March 2010 - 3:39pm

In other radio news

You can now download Steve Davis's excellent show, making it available to listeners outside the Billericay area: http://www.phoenixfm.com/story/3638.php

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clarker | 3 March 2010 - 4:05pm
Mr Sparks | 4 March 2010 - 12:25am

BBC 6

A great shame indeed. One of the few things the BBC has done recently of any worth was to launch 6 Music and is regualrly on my DAB radio. But what to expect really, as Auntie is rapidly losing/has lost touch with the public at large and seems to be concerned primarily with paying her executives fat salaries!!

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jandewalden | 5 March 2010 - 9:27am
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