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2009 a good year for The Stone Roses?
Mani suggests it'd be good if The Stone Roses reform next year since it'd be 20 years since their debut album was released.
Media outlets as far away as here in Australia excitedly proclaim that The Roses are set to reform.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/music/the-stone-roses-are-se...
A few things spring to mind (not all good). Has it really been 20 years?! I feel old. Then I remember when I read the Roses had split in the mid-1990s.....read it on teletext. Those were the days before such news was available on t'internet. Now I feel really old.
The past was theirs but should the future be too? And if they do get back together should they record any new material? I reckon it could actually be a chance to atone for (much of the) Second Coming.
Mani wants to do it "before we're all fat and bald". I've still got hair, Reni hats are ideal for any who haven't and baggy is a very forgiving fashion for those of us who've - ahem - added a little girth over the intervening years.
"Start the campaign". Yes or No?
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The acclaim afforded to The Stone Roses...
is so out of proportion to their talent that it beggars belief. A good debut followed by a lard-arsed second full of stolen Led Zeppelin riffs. A singer who sounds like the drunk in the corner of the pub singing along tunelessly to the jukebox. Yes, they'll probably reform... good luck to them. I personally am wondering whether in the next 20 years their true worth will finally be recognized... ie: a good band with a few good tunes, nothing more.
stolen Led Zeppelin riffs
Isn't that like saying someones nicked a tune from Oasis?
Damn fine point
Mr Bartdog. Don't know how I missed that one first time round.
Whenever I hear the Stone Roses....
...it makes me realise how powerful the drugs must have been back in the days of Madchester for people to be still making a fuss about them nowadays. Without benefit of said chemical aids they are surely revealed as even more trudgy than Oasis.
Maybe it's a case of "you had to be there"
I'll always love The Roses. It's an age thing. They gave a whole generation a buzz (the drugs don't work) at that most impressionable of times - the teenage years. We wore baggy flares, such was our devotion!
I know where's you're coming from and where you're at though, Mr Hepworth. I always think the same about The Clash. Countless fawning articles about 'em in the music mags. I listen to the music and think "Hmmm, is that it?". You obviously had to be there...
Yes David
the drugs were that good. Which is why I'd like them not to reform. I'd like the myth to survive. I saw them in 89 and then 95 with stand in drummer. The 95 gig was the reformation, classic songs from my teenage years played out to some one then edging toward 26 in an arena with nice lightshow.
John Squire opened up the Byrds, Hendrix & Led Zep when punk had closed the door via year zero and older brothers record collections. And frankly anything in the Oasis back catalogue isn't fit to wipe the spit off the shoes of Fools Gold or Somethings Burning. The rest is up for grabs in the simian primate shoe shine industry though.
They broke big during a smallish tour
meaning the atmosphere for those 400/500 capacity venues was amazing. They never did a proper tour after that meaning the myth was still in tact.
Though they ending up dirgey and uninspired they started wide-eyed and colourful, tuneful drops of Simon and Garfunkel and The Byrds lacing a strong melodies and funky rhythms. It's not their fault Oasis copied them and left out the good bits.
NB all the stories are basically saying the bassist wants to reform the band...big deal, hardly means much.
And, oddly enough, Mani is the one...
...who still has any sort of career
No no, you're wrong
Oasis are trudgy because they used trudgy drummers. The drums are the reason the Roses songs bounce out of the speakers even now.
Not sure about a reunion though, they've declined enough highly lucrative offers already.
nose pointy thing
bang on, kb.
I never did the drugs - never saw 'em live but always loved the first album, wasn't sure about the second - but enjoy it every time a track comes up on the ipod.
Also I absolutely love them for giving the first review of the Second Coming to the Big Issue thereby (hopefully) giving their circulation a big boost.
trudgy?!
I can just about understand why someone would apply that adjective to my beloved Oasis, but it's not applicable to the Stone Roses. Their playing was nimble, delicate and funky as hell. You can't describe Bye Bye Bad Man or Made of Stone as "trudgy".
And while we're on the subject, The Second Coming sounds like what I wanted Led Zeppelin to sound like. I was actually disappointed when I finally heard the Zep (love them as I do) that it wasn't as riff-mungous, funky and bass heavy as the Second Coming. Love Spreads, Good Times and Driving South have some of the best riffs of all time.
I'm with you on this one, Chimmo.
I was working on the south coast and doing a lot of driving to and from home when it came out, and it saved my bacon I can tell you. There's nothing worse than a long cross-country drive when you're knackered; you need good stirring music to keep the eyelids open.
Every time I hear it now it transports me back to the drive home; I used to save it until the last half of the journey, and I'd be driving up the Fosse Way from Bathhampton, through the windy lanes and on up towards Castle Combe when the big fat riffs really kicked in.
It's an utterly brilliant album, and I love to this day.
But, by the time of the second album...
...they were already a nostalgia act.
Yup.
They were rubbish.
Never, ever got the point of
Never, ever got the point of the Stone Roses.
The Mondays were genuinely original and innovative.
But repackage bog standard mid-eighties indie in faintly fashionable late eighties colours and the world - or at least certain parts of Britain - goes mad.
The drugs must have been the strongest ever.
Saw them in, I think, 1987
at Larks in the Park in Liverpool. They weren't that good. Saw them again in '88 or '89 and they were amazing. First album is at least as good as anything by The Smiths, Blur or Oasis (for my money the three bands who have defined "indie" over the last 20 years or so, whatever "indie" is, in that they showed the rest of the "indie" crowd the possibility of ambition and reaching out to bigger audiences, even though this happened mostly retrospectively for The Smiths), while the second is also pretty good, while being completely different.
However history treats them I hope to never see a time when Fool's Gold isn't justly considered to be not only important in terms of musical development, both for the band and "the genre" but also a damn good, bad-ass, funky masterpiece.
Apologies for the inverted commas - never quite sure whether using them makes me a twunt, or not using them makes me a knobsack.
Why The Stone Roses are important
Aside from the fact the debut was an absolute corker without a duff track, they also:
* influenced the biggest band of the time - U2 - who would not have made their best record (Achtung Baby) without hearing The Stone Roses.
* directly influenced / produced the two biggest bands in the UK that followed (Blur & Oasis). In fact there’s a good argument that says neither would have been signed without the Roses.
* so by influencing those two they were the forefathers of Britpop, which changed music in the UK – certainly in terms of radio play & chart positions for ‘indie’ guitar bands.
* they also influenced opinion in reverse. Prior to the Roses, The Beatles “masterpiece” was always regarded as Sgt Pepper. After 1989, Revolver was always declared the best, because the Roses said it was and everyone agreed.
I'm not altogether convinced...
...that, just because a Manc in silly flares said that Revolver was 'the one', we all changed our minds.
Some of us have ears of our own and were listening to Revolver whilst Ian Brown was still wearing nappies.
Agreed, I don't need anyone to tell me how good Revolver is.
But on the other hand, at the time of the first Roses album, there was something going on, with new bands who were genuinely exciting, something that hadn't happened for a good while.
I'm old enough to have bought Revolver when it came out, but I also bought the first Roses album when it came out, and the Mondays' album, and the Inspirals', and The House Of Love and lots of others too.
There was a whole 12 months when I listened to them or to the cassettes that came sellotaped to the front cover of Select magazine and thought there was hope once again after the dark days of endless post-punk noise, 80's gated snares and similar landfill.
Oh, and I HATE Oasis, did I mention that?
John Squire wouldn't do it.
He hasn't played for years and has no interest in making music anymore.
Then again, if the cheque is big enough...
John Squire, man of original ideas...
plays guitar like Jimmy Page and paints like Jackson Pollock.
but does a damned fine impersonation of each.
The Mike Yarwood of the guitar and the modern day Rolf Harris in one handy sized package?
Never mind the Pollocks
He's moved on. Saw some of his more recent daubs and thought they were rather good - not obviously derivative, well a bit Cy Twombly maybe. I suspect devoting himself to painting rather than music is paying off.
http://www.johnsquire.com/work/salute.html
I adore The Stone Roses....
One of the few bands who not only offered great music but also a lifestlye should you choose to accept and many did.
Possibly responsible for introducing (or at the very least bringing back) the concept of the concert as an occasion. Not playing the tired circuit around the country. Had a rock band played the Blackpool Empress Ballroom before?
Playing massive once only affairs such as Spike Island which are now as common as muck.
And I will always admire the fact they gave their first interview after years away recording The Second Coming exclusively to The Big Issue.
Blackpool Empress Ballroom
IIRC, Hendrix played there
Big one off events have been as common as muck since 1969 - the sequence of Knebworths being the obvious example
Still a fine sounding debut
Many bands make great records and go onto influence future bands who turn what their forerunners did into something less interesting - but you can't blame them for that. Radiohead are such a band I would say and so were Stone Roses. Their debut is nimble where Oasis trudge, at their worst Oasis are the epitome of trudge. The Stone Roses debut has that jingly '60s Simon and Garfunkel-like pretty tune thing married to a funky, riffy groove (thanks to excellent rhythm section) that was totally contemporary, in tune with the whole rave culture and bands like Primal Scream and Happy Mondays. Waterfall, I Wanna Be Adored, I Am The Resurrection and She Bangs The Drums all still sound pretty good to me. Ian Brown is not a particularly good singer but what he did on the first album has the right laid back, languid sort of feel that works for the record. Second Coming is a bit of a trudgy drag for me though.
I don't really care for a reunion, but I'm not really much interested in reunions generally. I don't feel the urge to just go and see a band so I can say I saw them. I would have far rather seen bands in their heyday. Seeing them after many years following a reunion just isn't the same for me. But if they want to do it I don't see why they shouldn't.